Katty Kay

We know that they want to subpoena Pam Bondi already for being in defiance of the Epstein Act, for example.

I think one of the things that you and I have spoken about on this podcast when it comes to really trying to understand what the lasting implications of this Trump presidency are on the United States, one of the things that I have been most concerned about is the breakdown of the firewall between the White House and the Justice Department and the expansion of presidential powers that

the King made a little reference to in his speech, and that whoever comes in next, whichever Democrat is elected in 2028 is going to come in and think, I would be stupid not to take some of those powers for myself.

Because the Republicans have done it to us and now we have to do it to them and they will sell this as we need to restore law and order and we have to do that by showing that we will prosecute people who have broken the law and by going after people that have broken the law and if we don't we are not enacting a campaign of law and order ourselves.

the biggest damage that Trump has done will be tested by whoever takes over from him.

And if that person thinks, assumes they have to act the way Trump has done, or if they have to act in a way that is more driven by commitment to the country and purpose and civility and respect for the norms and traditions of democracy, not just the laws of democracy.

And

I can see whoever is being elected as a Democrat thinking, wow, look at all that power you can grab if you have no respect for the traditions of democracy and if you are shameless.

I would be a mug.

I would be a fool politically not to use some of that power myself.

I hope that doesn't happen, but I can see that being the debate that plays out in 2028.

No, they're only going to go after Donald Trump's enemies.

They know full well this doesn't have a chance.

I don't think it even gets to a jury, let alone going to a trial.

I think this gets thrown out.

And I imagine Todd Blanche and Jeanine Pirro know that.

But it is extraordinary how a year and a half into a presidency,

where the economy is being tanked, where we are at a war that we don't know how to get out of, where the president's approval ratings are now heading towards the low 30s, the power that he has over members of his administration and still over the Republican Party so that people will go against their better instincts and all of their knowledge and all of their expertise to make him happy.

it's still pretty striking.

As you've said, Anthony, he's a lamed up president.