Kayla Murphy
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I do.
I really do.
And I don't think that like the punishments that we divvy out, like really make the situation better.
It's like, cool.
So now this person has to pay a bunch of money and, um,
you know, maybe lose their job because they have to, you know, miss work for a week or like, what about their kids or, you know what I mean?
So it's just, I just see a lot of suffering.
I just feel like a lot of being a criminal defense attorney is just bearing witness to human suffering.
And frankly, I think shame is the worst emotion.
It's the worst.
I attribute so much suffering to shame.
They're different.
Exactly.
Shame is like, I'm bad.
I'm a bad person.
Not like I feel bad about what I did.
It's like, I'm bad.
I live in Washington State, which has a large, like, migrant community.
So, yes, I've definitely helped people who are not citizens defend themselves against criminal charges.
And those cases stress me out like nothing else because it's like –