Kayla Murphy

And, you know, really understanding that it's not a lack of control problem, but an attitudes of beliefs problem.

You can see that the...

perpetrator can like turn it off and be really charming yes and just like bond with the officer and um you know this crazy being here you know she just what you know what i mean like and so they like flip the script almost exactly so what does that look like for the criminal defense attorney then because are you hired you know for the victim or do you end up getting hired by the perpetrator

Yeah.

I mean, that is something I see a lot with my parents.

The people who are, I believe, like probably did actually, you know what I mean, domestically abuse their partner.

They are typically very charming.

And my husband's a criminal defense attorney too.

And gosh, he said something to me like, you can tell by like who's trying to get you to like them.

Like that's kind of a red flag.

Like if they're trying to kind of like charm you –

Gosh, I will never forget this one case where my client who is, you know, the defendant, but she was actually, you know what I mean, the victim.

She was arrested like in the shower, like they had gotten into whatever, you know, altercation.

Did they let her put her clothes on?

It was really, it was so disturbing.

I guess what I should say is, like, the officer contacted her when she was, like, you know, naked in the shower.

But I think, like, after, you know, they were, like, going to bring her to jail, they let her put something on.

I mean, but just to, like, be victimized and have the cops come into your house and accost you in the shower and then, like, arrest you later, you know, it's – yeah, I've seen it play out so many times.

Yeah.

And –