Kelly Corrigan

And then when I had a car full of kids, I understood, oh, this is how they talk to each other.

This is how much they're on the phones.

This is how many of them say please and thank you and how many don't.

And it was invaluable for me to know what was reasonable for me to expect of our kids.

And that's just one tiny activity that we could be outsourcing that maybe we shouldn't.

That means you have to have long, thoughtful conversations.

Thinking back on the process for a moment, we worked for months on her talk.

And at first, Avani's instinct was to talk to us as a mother.

And I kept saying, I didn't ask you to come and talk as a mother.

I asked you to come and talk as a mother who designs AI products for families.

Like you have to bring your professional self to the conversation because that combination of professional and personal experience has given you this set of insights that you're here to share.

And it's just such an interesting conversation between the two of us about how an audience would receive her in those two different scenarios.

And so when she walked out on stage and gave the talk you just heard, she was totally owning both sides of her identity.

And I think a lot of listeners can relate to this and take inspiration from it.

When I was listening to Avni's talk, I kept wondering about the tremendous pressure companies might get from venture capitalists and other investors to bypass some of the subtle elements of product design that she wants and needs to blend into the offerings of her company and instead just remove all the friction that Avni talked about.

And I think it just puts front and center the idea of the profit motive and getting real about this terrible truth

Whatever makes money will be made.

Whether it's good for society or not, people will make anything that makes money.

There are enough people who are not reluctant in any way to add something to society that will enrich themselves that is utterly unhealthy and will ultimately lead to tremendous dips in well-being for individuals while also enriching the companies who make these products.

There's no question that this is our history and it's a byproduct of capitalism.