Kelly Corrigan

We have much more after a short break.

So 12 minutes is not a very long conversation.

I have to say that from the start.

And so we were so constrained.

I don't think I've ever done a 12 minute interview in my life.

And I've interviewed probably six or 700 people over the years.

So it was my job up front to reduce the number of questions from like 18 was the number that I really wanted to ask in a perfect world down to something like four or five so that she could really open up the topic.

That's Lucy Little, my producer.

Lucy was one of several TED staffers who gave feedback on earlier stages of the conversation.

Right.

So I think...

We want to say get to this really good note.

There's two things at the top, which is it's based on CBT and it's scripted.

It's not generative.

Yeah.

And that's quite a lot of heady thinking.

If I can only touch on four or five ideas here, what are the most salient, essential ideas such that as you go through the rest of the session where you're going to meet these other five speakers, you are positioned in the best possible way to process what people are putting in front of you.

So the first thing that Allison clarified for me that I thought was essential and doesn't get talked about enough, honestly, is who pays for the product and how will the product be evaluated in terms of its efficacy?

Because if the profit motive involves keeping people on the app longer so that you can, say, collect more data or place more ads, the app will be designed in one way, which could be enfeebling.

It could be creating this terrible dependency where.