Kelly Slater

And you're upside down.

Yeah, and you're getting flipped around and you can't get to the surface and another wave comes over, that kind of thing.

So when Shane had that situation, he's like, I got to do something about this because he loved big waves and that was his thing.

And he invented this thing.

So basically every single big wave surf in the world now is wearing a vest at all times that is inflatable because...

You don't want to have to completely rely on that.

You want to be trained up and have your cardio good enough to where you can handle whatever without that, whatever situation you're in, because that thing's not foolproof.

It could not work.

It's been a few times where they haven't worked.

But you want to be able to be confident that you've been in those situations and you're not relying necessarily on a jet ski to get you over this inflatable thing like you can hold your breath and...

Yeah.

Old school way, you know?

Yeah.

But those have made it really accessible for most anyone to be able to tow into a giant wave and,

you know, if you can hold your breath for 15 or 20 seconds in a situation like that, you're probably gonna be fine.

I've had different rivals, if that's what you mean.

Yeah, I'm saying what motivated you?

I mean, just the passion of the sport?

Occasionally it was rivals.

You know, there's been a few big rivalries in surfing.