Kelly Slater

You want to be trained up and have your cardio good enough to where you can handle whatever without that, whatever situation you're in, because that thing's not foolproof.

It could not work.

It's been a few times where they haven't worked.

But you want to be able to be confident that you've been in those situations and you're not relying necessarily on a jet ski to get you over this inflatable thing like you can hold your breath and...

Yeah.

Old school way, you know?

Yeah.

But those have made it really accessible for most anyone to be able to tow into a giant wave and,

you know, if you can hold your breath for 15 or 20 seconds in a situation like that, you're probably gonna be fine.

I've had different rivals, if that's what you mean.

Yeah, I'm saying what motivated you?

I mean, just the passion of the sport?

Occasionally it was rivals.

You know, there's been a few big rivalries in surfing.

One that's been spoken about a lot was myself and Andy Irons, who unfortunately passed away in 2010.

But Andy and I, for about six or eight years, had a really pretty intense rivalry.

And...

And that really pushed me at that time.

This is like early 2000s, maybe 2002.

I came back on tour.