Kemi Badenoch

A lot of media doesn't want to observe and report. It wants to influence. It wants to be on the pitch rather than reporting.

A lot of media doesn't want to observe and report. It wants to influence. It wants to be on the pitch rather than reporting.

Not so much. I think probably the way I express it is different. But just going back to that theme of how... you know, liberalism has been hacked. I started my career as a secretary of state in trade, saying that we must not be knowingly naive. We have adopted this naive behavior of, well, we'll do this thing. And of course, other countries will follow us and everything will be fine.

Not so much. I think probably the way I express it is different. But just going back to that theme of how... you know, liberalism has been hacked. I started my career as a secretary of state in trade, saying that we must not be knowingly naive. We have adopted this naive behavior of, well, we'll do this thing. And of course, other countries will follow us and everything will be fine.

Not so much. I think probably the way I express it is different. But just going back to that theme of how... you know, liberalism has been hacked. I started my career as a secretary of state in trade, saying that we must not be knowingly naive. We have adopted this naive behavior of, well, we'll do this thing. And of course, other countries will follow us and everything will be fine.

And that doesn't happen.

And that doesn't happen.

And that doesn't happen.

Yes, exactly. And that is not saying that our values are wrong. It's that you have to recognize that not everybody shares those values. So you can't use your values outside that system. It doesn't make sense. If you try and use free speech in a way where people will abuse that to defame other people, provide lots of misinformation and disinformation, then it doesn't work in the same way.

Yes, exactly. And that is not saying that our values are wrong. It's that you have to recognize that not everybody shares those values. So you can't use your values outside that system. It doesn't make sense. If you try and use free speech in a way where people will abuse that to defame other people, provide lots of misinformation and disinformation, then it doesn't work in the same way.

Yes, exactly. And that is not saying that our values are wrong. It's that you have to recognize that not everybody shares those values. So you can't use your values outside that system. It doesn't make sense. If you try and use free speech in a way where people will abuse that to defame other people, provide lots of misinformation and disinformation, then it doesn't work in the same way.

So you've got to have a way of managing that. So TikTok, for example, I don't use because I'm very worried about, you know, having Chinese spyware on your phone. Yes, exactly. Very worried about that. But also, if you allow other foreign actors to have free speech in your country, and they start saying things about your country that aren't true, you just say, hey, it's free speech. It's fine.

So you've got to have a way of managing that. So TikTok, for example, I don't use because I'm very worried about, you know, having Chinese spyware on your phone. Yes, exactly. Very worried about that. But also, if you allow other foreign actors to have free speech in your country, and they start saying things about your country that aren't true, you just say, hey, it's free speech. It's fine.

So you've got to have a way of managing that. So TikTok, for example, I don't use because I'm very worried about, you know, having Chinese spyware on your phone. Yes, exactly. Very worried about that. But also, if you allow other foreign actors to have free speech in your country, and they start saying things about your country that aren't true, you just say, hey, it's free speech. It's fine.

That doesn't work. You are allowing people to hack your system. This is the same with things like free markets. It's only a free market if everybody is playing by the rules. It's not I will do free markets and everybody else can do what they like. That is how globalization, in my view, went wrong.

That doesn't work. You are allowing people to hack your system. This is the same with things like free markets. It's only a free market if everybody is playing by the rules. It's not I will do free markets and everybody else can do what they like. That is how globalization, in my view, went wrong.

That doesn't work. You are allowing people to hack your system. This is the same with things like free markets. It's only a free market if everybody is playing by the rules. It's not I will do free markets and everybody else can do what they like. That is how globalization, in my view, went wrong.

So the reason why, you know, there's more protectionism is because we did not defend those values and apply them in a way that was very sensible. We've got to rethink that. And COVID showed us what happens when these things go wrong. So I think I express these things differently. Do I think that, you know, tariffs are helpful? Mostly no.

So the reason why, you know, there's more protectionism is because we did not defend those values and apply them in a way that was very sensible. We've got to rethink that. And COVID showed us what happens when these things go wrong. So I think I express these things differently. Do I think that, you know, tariffs are helpful? Mostly no.

So the reason why, you know, there's more protectionism is because we did not defend those values and apply them in a way that was very sensible. We've got to rethink that. And COVID showed us what happens when these things go wrong. So I think I express these things differently. Do I think that, you know, tariffs are helpful? Mostly no.