Ken Coleman

And so in those points, I do think it's,

the best way to approach that is it's really cool to talk about you, right?

And say the things that you've done or the things that you've learned.

And it feels a little less judgmental.

And I have a feeling you're already doing that in the right ways though.

Because I can just tell by the way you're talking.

It doesn't sound like you're walking in there saying, mom, you need to do this and you need to get your budget and you need, right?

And then after you've said all you can say, you just kind of move on.

And most people, they see us leading by example.

Like they see your life.

They see what's going on.

And at some point, if she gets to that point, she'll ask.

And she'll say, well, what did you do?

How did you do it?

And you have to be cool with if she never asks.

Yeah, that's a good point.

I got an idea.

Erin, you hang out there for a second, okay?

So one of the unbelievable, magical things that Dave discovered years ago, decades ago, was the power of community.

And we saw it come alive in Financial Peace University, my wife and I, many, many years ago now, over 20 years ago.