Ken Foy

what's described as doubling up.

And the prison governor was... He made a point about how when you're kind of forced to share a cell with somebody, it just increases a lot of... It can cause a lot of tension to increase.

You know, the various little...

It can be snoring.

It can be disputes over TV.

It can be smoking.

All these kind of things.

And don't forget the toilet is there open in the corner of the room.

There is bunk beds and there's also mattresses on the floor, depending on the setup of the cell.

We walked down so multiple corridors and through so many locked doors.

It wasn't...

Where we were, there wasn't a kind of a main reception area, if you like.

Yes, well, as one of the governors said during the tour, actually when we were observing one of the videos and he just pointed out there's no quality control, as we do know with illegal drugs.

And they're actually very worried about a bad batch coming in, like what happened in Port Leash.

Yeah.

And another concern in relation to all that, and really, unlike the UK, where it's kind of taken a big hold in the prison system.

Yeah.

Spice, it's a cannabis opiate.

Yeah.

It hasn't really featured too much here, but the...