Ken Hinckley

And this is always, I think, good perspective for fans to know, but that is what would happen every quarter of every game if an AFL team played a VFL team.

Like that's the gap that we're talking about.

And that's not calling, you know, Brisbane a VFL side because, as you said, it was just such a bizarre bit.

But I'm still bullish on Brisbane.

I think it was a huge blip and something that, like, would have, you know, wounded some of their absolute stars.

But they're going through some stuff at the moment as well.

They're always wobbly this time of year.

So there's a bit to go there.

But I think the Giants can just take the percentage boost and, you know, take their rightful spot in the all-time scoring list.

I think this becomes a challenging conversation only because –

Toby just wants to win so badly.

And I think that would be the only part that's wobbling in his brain is doing the math.

You know, we said a bit before about Essendon players being like, hey, how do they think about it?

What's the conversation?

For Toby, it's not about playing finals.

He doesn't want to finish seventh this year and win one final and lose because he's not really the top four best teams.

He wants to win one so desperately.

And I think he just cares about that so much.

He's cared about that like endlessly for the last 10 years.

But I do think deep down, it's a big step to leave.