Ken Hinckley

And I think that'll always be the challenge, um,

So I can see why there's speculation and I can see why it's floating around.

But my gut feel is when it's all said and done, Toby will make a decision to stay.

But there's merit in the discussion just because, you know, he just wants to win so badly.

He's one of the most competitive humans I've ever met in my life.

And this is something that he's been chasing.

Like he's had all this other success, Jared.

But I know deep down, like there's no player that would trade that faster than Toby for the medal that actually mattered.

Yeah, well, it reminds me a lot of round one, Gerard, when we said, oh, this is a maturity test to go and beat a banged up Geelong.

And they failed that one.

So it feels like we're back there.

What I will say, Gerard, is big picture.

I am very, very confident that Freya will win one final.

I think they're like almost certain to be in a prelim this year.

Like that's where I see them.

This question is now to be like, do they join the discussion where I feel very confident that they could win a prelim?

And I think that's, as you say, like these are the maturity tests that, because they'll always, they'll finish top four, it looks like, I presume.

So basically, you just have to win one final when you're in a prelim.

And usually, let's say they lose the first week and, you know, unless you go straight sets, you're usually going to beat up a banged up side in the semifinal and before you know it, you're in a prelim.

And I think that's where they're at definitely at the moment.