Ken Hinkley

That's the difference.

How often would list management sit for?

Is it once a month?

Does Vossi go to list management?

I guess what we're sort of saying and the awkwardness around that, if there's an inevitability about his role and what we're all thinking is going to happen, then to your point, it's just a brutal position for him to have to keep fronting up in.

You just can't.

You're hostage to your best players.

Exactly.

Particularly when you're not flushed with great depth as it is anyway.

So you're so reliant on a key group of five.

And the key group of five aren't to the level that they were three years ago.

I used to think their best five was as good as anyone, but Wiedering's not that good.

Cripps is not that anymore.

Walsh is still at a good level.

Mackay is not that anymore.

So, I mean, it's very difficult.

And then when you've made the decisions that they've made for the future of the list, which I think probably is going to age okay with Tassie coming in, provided they nail their draft picks and get the trade period and the draft right.

He was always going to have a difficult task this year, but it just can't be one and eight.

That's the problem.

At some point, you're going to have to win, and you're going to have to win against teams that you should be beating.