Ken Hinkley

Yeah, I certainly do, Gerard.

I mean, because it's something that all coaches would and have used in the journey.

I mean, you use...

You use little storytelling moments to convince your team of all the challenges in front of them can be overcome.

And that's, you know, and Bevo was right.

I watched that little segment.

Bevo was right around.

I'm not sure any of them check up on the story because you could tell them anything you want.

But the reality is you're trying to get a mindset, and that is the art of coaching.

Get a mindset that says, hey, this can be achieved, but it can only be achieved in a certain way.

I remember we did Burn the Boats.

We did a Burn the Boats series with Cortez, the Spanish sailor in the 1500s around, hey, if we're going to win this battle, there's only one way we're going to do this.

We're burning our boats.

There's no sailing back.

There's no safety to go back to here.

We're going straight through this, and the only way we're going to win is

well, the only way we're going to win this battle is we actually have to win it.

So there's not a choice in this matter.

So we've used that a number of times.

We'd used that once just near the end of my time at Port.