Ken Hinkley

And, you know, basically you'll try anything in a storytelling moment.

And Bevo is 100% correct.

The art of doing that well is the art of motivating your team.

And because that's what some people look at something and go, well, how can you be so flat or how can you be so wound up?

Well, I think some coaches do it the way they do it and other coaches do it in a way that I think from an outside, what Chris Scott does, Chris Scott just is a bit more matter of fact.

Bevo seems to be a bit more like me in some ways is that we delve into the mind as much as we can and try and help and support because...

That was the way that we could get a result from our team.

And there is absolutely no doubt, Gerard, I can guarantee you that the connection that gets strong in those moments between the coach and the team is the only way you can bring it really to the battle together.

Because coach sits in the ivory tower.

He sits up in the coach's box.

He's not out on the grass.

But I've got to get these boys to realise that this is how important this game is to us.

And I love the storytelling.

I mean, I'm just...

I live in that world a little bit with the team that I coached in the past.

So I think it's a weapon that a coach can use.

It's not every coach's choice, but it's a choice that some coaches will go into.

And Bevo, to me, strikes me as someone who would reach into that bag quite often too.

Yeah, there is.

And there's parts of the journeys, you know, and you hear different stories over the time.