Ken Hinkley

And then I see some really good complex team defence systems that most of these teams aren't ready for.

For what it's worth, I couldn't do it.

I couldn't get it right, Gerard.

You know, my last couple of years, we had such a,

really clean system.

And then all these kids started coming through and I was like, why aren't they doing this?

Why aren't they working this out?

It's so easy.

Just, you know, and if I had my time again, I would have stripped it right back.

And, and you go back before you go forward.

So that's why the question around Essendon, where, where are they?

Are they still going backwards with this stuff?

Like they're, they're, they're uncontested marks against has been a problem for years.

You know, since Brad's been there, it's been an issue, how they defend and,

So that's the piece that you ask questions on, but I've got to admit I struggled as well when you're transitioning to a young side.

It'll be easy to see what Ken says here, but I felt, and this is no disrespect to the high-performance crew, but they're the most sensitive.

Like, we shouldn't have played him.

If someone says that, then explosions, Ken.

They're not resilient in terms of...

getting pushed out in the public, the issues, the strength and conditioning team.