Ken Hinkley

I think he's deliberately going, all right, you want the boring Ross?

Well, I'll give you the boring Ross.

I don't think we've... I know how they actually scout for the ARC guy, because you've got to know your science and your data and your analytics and the rules and be...

There's a lot more facts you need to gather before you would make a decision around who you do and don't want to coach, you know.

And you've got to match up to the people's views that are involved in the selection process.

you know, criteria here.

They've got to want the right coach.

They've got to want the right person.

You know, my challenge is I'm a much older person.

So at 59, the sense I'd get was this is a longish build for Carlton and, you know, maybe they are, you know, as everyone said, everyone's predicting a first-time coach.

I would be fascinated if John Longmire wasn't spoken about really deeply at Carlton because he's,

such a good fit for cultural issues, and he's provided that at Sydney.

Yeah, absolutely.

Strong leadership, consistent behaviour, demands of high performance, you know, and he has consistently led his team to the final, I think, what was it, 12 out of 13 years or 10 out of 12 years or something with horse.

So he's got a track record that says he can –

He can win, but, you know, that's a different list.

And he took over from Roosie, wasn't it, I think all those years ago, and the list was in pretty good shape.

So it's probably – this would be a different challenge for John.

This would be a different challenge for any of the tried coaches.

This would be a different challenge for you.