Ken Hinkley

I lived through, I think, the worst of the integrity issues there with three captains of the Test Playing Nations being banned for life.

So cricket has a sensitive relationship with betting.

I think they've got the balance right at the moment and I wouldn't like to see it any more involved with sports wagering.

Okay.

Perhaps the starting point there, Gerard, is Test cricket needs something else with it.

The game can't survive with just Test cricket, can it?

Few countries can sustain it.

I think some of the countries that have recently achieved Test status, they'll struggle there.

So Ireland, Afghanistan, I'm not sure who else, I've forgotten who else has got it recently.

Scotland, I think.

They'll struggle.

So I think, as I said, there'll be fewer countries playing Test cricket.

I think the traditional test-playing cricket countries, so Australia, England, India, Pakistan, South Africa, New Zealand, West Indies maybe.

I worry about West Indies and I've left someone else, Sri Lanka maybe.

I think they will be able to sustain it.

And it may be that...

It falls away in some countries, but I don't think we'll be left on the island.

If we are left on the island, I think you and I will have departed the island by then.

It's not going to happen quickly, but that's where I see that.

One of the features of Richmond at that time, Gerard, was that there was stability on the board.