Ken Hinkley

But it does go wrong.

Vossi's probably biggest concern, well, biggest issue was probably made that prelim final and looked like going to make a grand final.

And then from that point on,

Everyone's expectation at the club just grows and goes through the roof because the obvious step is you're going to win a flag.

And when you don't get to that point and when it becomes out of reach as the next season unfolded and you said your movie choice was strange but your outcome was the same, it was what happened?

What happened?

And from that point on, what continued to happen?

is Carlton just weren't anywhere near the side.

And, you know, they got through that period.

Remember that, was it 23, as you said?

I think they were 9-4 or 4-9, sorry, 4-9 at one point before they got on a run.

You know, and I think even Brisbane in that same year, both those teams were actually...

not going great at the halfway mark of the season and one turns into a grand final, one turns into a prelim final.

So it was quite a unique year with the rise from underneath to come up in season because that doesn't happen very often.

And then Carlton just lost their, you know,

Well, did the game lose their identity?

Maybe more so.

The game's changed.

The game went into offence and went in a bit more attacking football stand and all the things that we now know and accept as real in the game.

And their list build was probably perfectly built for...