Ken Lawson

He's like, the judge is in jury trial, but he's going to want to meet as soon as possible. So about 10 minutes later, He shoots an email over to judgments, to everybody now, judgments to see everybody at 12 noon, everybody, all parties.

He's like, the judge is in jury trial, but he's going to want to meet as soon as possible. So about 10 minutes later, He shoots an email over to judgments, to everybody now, judgments to see everybody at 12 noon, everybody, all parties.

Ken had a gathering and my wife and I were able to sit next to Ian for the dinner and be able to chat. And first we were just shocked that there was no apparent anger or hostility or resentment or chip on his shoulder. He just seemed like a very genuinely good person.

Ken had a gathering and my wife and I were able to sit next to Ian for the dinner and be able to chat. And first we were just shocked that there was no apparent anger or hostility or resentment or chip on his shoulder. He just seemed like a very genuinely good person.

gentle-spirited person who appreciated where he was at the moment, appreciated that we were there talking to him, appreciated everything, of course, that the Innocence Project had done. But the reason I'm mentioning this now is that in talking to him, he said, because we asked, of course, how are you doing?

gentle-spirited person who appreciated where he was at the moment, appreciated that we were there talking to him, appreciated everything, of course, that the Innocence Project had done. But the reason I'm mentioning this now is that in talking to him, he said, because we asked, of course, how are you doing?

And he said, well, I think I'm doing okay, but I got to tell you, it's difficult for the last 24 years. Somebody has told me when to get up, when to go to bed, when to eat, what to eat. But he said, it's hard making decisions.

And he said, well, I think I'm doing okay, but I got to tell you, it's difficult for the last 24 years. Somebody has told me when to get up, when to go to bed, when to eat, what to eat. But he said, it's hard making decisions.

Not that it should be, and he seemed reasonably confident that he would get back into the rhythm of daily life, but he said it's just real hard to go from that kind of structure for 24 years to all of a sudden you're just let loose on the world.

Not that it should be, and he seemed reasonably confident that he would get back into the rhythm of daily life, but he said it's just real hard to go from that kind of structure for 24 years to all of a sudden you're just let loose on the world.

Because I had read all of the news coverage of him and watched the TV news coverage of him during the trial period, I had one image of him that was just so different.

Because I had read all of the news coverage of him and watched the TV news coverage of him during the trial period, I had one image of him that was just so different.

Randy put together for our Innocence Project a group of former prosecutors who would come in and the students would present actual, and this is one of the cases the students presented, they would present actual cases, cases where we believe our client's actually innocent. They would present them to former prosecutors and get their feedback and stuff like that.

Randy put together for our Innocence Project a group of former prosecutors who would come in and the students would present actual, and this is one of the cases the students presented, they would present actual cases, cases where we believe our client's actually innocent. They would present them to former prosecutors and get their feedback and stuff like that.

And so, you know, Randy getting us involved with prosecutors was a huge, huge step because as a criminal defense lawyer, I didn't want to, I mean, I'm like, man, you know, it's like fucking Dracula or somebody, you know what I mean? Give me a cross and some holy water.

And so, you know, Randy getting us involved with prosecutors was a huge, huge step because as a criminal defense lawyer, I didn't want to, I mean, I'm like, man, you know, it's like fucking Dracula or somebody, you know what I mean? Give me a cross and some holy water.

And the pitch was, look, you guys know that there's an unknown, we haven't matched his male DNA yet, unknown male. So your interest is finding him. You still have a perpetrator out there. We all know that. Now you believe the perpetrator may be connected to our client. We believe the opposite.

And the pitch was, look, you guys know that there's an unknown, we haven't matched his male DNA yet, unknown male. So your interest is finding him. You still have a perpetrator out there. We all know that. Now you believe the perpetrator may be connected to our client. We believe the opposite.

So we both have a mutual interest in finding out whose DNA this is, and then that could lead us to saying it's not, whatever. And so that's how the joint investigation agreement started, right?

So we both have a mutual interest in finding out whose DNA this is, and then that could lead us to saying it's not, whatever. And so that's how the joint investigation agreement started, right?