Kenny

Cross-examined, it was a very difficult scenario for him, given his background, his disadvantaged background.

compared to the two VFL players who are far more willing in that winner's box.

Anyway, that will play out this week.

News from Mitch Cleary again today regarding Andrew Welsh, Sammy.

Can you just give us what this is?

And take it slow because I couldn't believe it when I just read it online.

If Solly was with him, yeah, that's right.

So that Gold Coast-Essendon game is coming up after this bounce in just over half an hour's time.

Simmo, there's a common thread today, and that's crisis management, and Adelaide is dealing with something now that's deeply traumatic.

I think every team did that round as well.

Yeah.

On a slightly more football note and lighter note, Dave Matthews is departing the Giants, Sam, after, what, about 13 or 14 years?

15.

15 years in the role.

So he'll stay to the end of the year.

He'll help transition and bring in his successor.

What sort of impact has he had on the club since he arrived?

I think the AFL dropped the ball.

I think they conceded they dropped the ball in the last few years around COVID.

And now they're trying to pick it up again.