Kevin Carroll

And those lads, they never really got, I mean, I think they've got a couple of years, community services.

The one that stabbed him, they got him out to Pakistan or something.

He was hiding.

The police had to spend a couple of years trying to get him back.

They extradited him.

But when he got back, I think he only got something stupid like a paltry sentence of three and a half years or four years or something.

So that set a sort of thing with all the lads in Luton.

Like, this is not on.

This is outrageous.

So then there's a lot of friction going on.

And then we sort of started the No Surrender to Al Qaeda thing when that all kicked off and we'd have the t-shirts and they were set up in the town centre, giving out leaflets.

What, Al Qaeda with leaflets?

Yeah, all the pro-Al Qaeda stuff and the pro-Jihadi stuff.

It was like...

are you doing why so we challenged all that and then we started to count a thing then I surrendered to Al Qaeda and then that went on and on and then 2009 come and this is the very nucleus the embryo of what it started yeah so the poachers which is our hometown regiment Bedfordshire regiment they were basically they were out in Iraq they were doing the tours the previous tour they lost nine lads this tour the recent tour they lost three lads two lads from Lumen

And one of the lads lived up by me, Scott Mugridge, 23-year-old lad, good lad, well-liked.

He was killed on his tour.

So unbeknown to me, they were having a homecoming parade.

So I was at home one night, and I was sitting there, and I picked up the paper.

And on page like seven, in a little column this big, I was reading it.