Kevin Carroll

It's very heavily influenced and they're very influential in the town hall, in the corridors of power.

Yeah, street-level crime.

You know, they've got so many lads, you know, and they run more or less everything anyway.

You know, so there's a lot of...

and crime and fraud and everything you can think of there.

They've got a lot of lads, you know, it's like an army.

Yeah, I mean, obviously you have to take all that into consideration because, but what do you do?

You know, back then I was, like, fearless before, like, all my problems and stuff.

I didn't care.

I was only a carpenter from Luton, but, you know, I didn't give a flying monkeys for no one or nothing.

I didn't care who you was, you know.

Do what you got to do, bruv, you know.

So, yeah.

Up until that United people looting, that was still a bit edgy.

That was like, you know, we were still finding out how to do it.

You know, we'd never done demos before and stuff.

So the issues that came from that.

So it was very sort of grassrootsy disorganized.

You know, we were flying by the seat of our pants, you know.

So, but when we started the EDL, that was a whole new ballgame.