Kevin Clancy

Yeah. And when you have like a castmate who will do anything to be on the show. Yes. And they'll say anything, anything untrue. And like that throws like that's just that level of chaos.

So you're New York.

No, it's tough.

Yeah, I saw the clips.

this is not just break up you know I know but then when they don't I'm like this is a strong this must be even though I'm seeing them like being the worst couple ever I'm like well they must be incredibly strong there must be something there must be something there yeah they love hard fight hard all that sort of shit the good times are so good and we just happen to miss them but that's where like like with the season of Summer House

No, no, no. By the end, it wasn't worth all the drama, but I'm like, am I the only one? I really saw like the initial love. There was a spark. There was a spark. I'm sorry. Like there was a spark.

No, totally. Do you talk to a lot of reality stars on your show and stuff? Or do you meet them all because they call them through the office?

The New York teams are the loser teams, especially if you're not rooting for the Yankees.

No, it's so mainstream now. If you're not watching... Summer House?

Yeah. No, totally. Even though I'm like, yeah, I know KFC. We never met.

Yeah.

Yeah. Do you do a lot of interviews on your show or just.

Yeah, well, I'm very excited for today's episode because, Kevin, I call you KFC, like, to my friends. Is that fine?

our show was one of the few that was really interviewing those guys so we had like a really good run then and then um once that died down a little bit i go back and forth it's like i think our our audience wants to hear me and john talk you know it's so funny like for claudia and i would say the exact same thing as what you said like there was a peak in time where like we were interviewing like everyone and it was so we were having fun and then yeah everyone got podcasts everyone's doing everything i would say it was covid covid kind of changed it because it's like every celebrity's

sitting on Zoom wanting to do a podcast. And it's like when you can have anyone and everyone is going on every show.

It's not so interesting.

And then we got to a place where like we don't want to do Zoom interviews. Yes. So we're waiting for people to be back.

Yeah. Like and not so much an interview, but like a conversation. Like, it's not like we're going to hit all these questions.

But, like, your real friends call you Kevin.

Yeah. And then like, it's just a back and forth. Right. The art of podcasting.

No, I feel like everybody who has a successful podcast says that. They're like, I don't listen to podcasts.

I just do them.

Fun. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I think we're the same way as well. But then it's fun to get to do interviews once in a while. And obviously for Jackson Friends Week, I'm sitting down with my friends and we're going to do some pop culture. So I think without further ado, let's get into the Fast Five stories that you need to know. Today's episode is brought to you by Skims.

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So the first story is something that's been developing for the last week, like kind of bombshell news, because we had reported on the toast that Justin Baldoni was subpoenaing Taylor Swift for text messages that allegedly Blake sent to Taylor, threatening Taylor to publicly take her side in the legal feud of Baldoni v. Lively. I love this one.

Yeah, this saga is good for business. But I do find... And I want to know your high-level take on the situation before we get into the weeds of this story. I do find it very hard to keep up with. Like, something will happen that feels like the biggest deal. And it's like, then the next day is, oh, they said that's not true. And it's being dismissed. And then something small will happen. And...

I miss how it's like the biggest deal in the world. Right.

Right. So I've just sort of been like sitting tight and I don't pick, if I picked updates every day, we would literally talk about this every day. And people don't really love Claudia. Nice take on it. Mostly Claudia's cause she's still team Blake. Yeah.

So I was team Blake until a couple months ago. And like, I was a hard team, like especially last summer when it felt like she was being canceled by him and his like male feminism. Yucky.

He did less wrong than her. And I think when that New York Times article came out of like what of her side, you know, it came out like over Christmas and it was like, oh, my God, the tide, the pendulum totally swung in her direction. It was like so good for her. And then so quickly it all unraveled.

And things got so bad for him after that article. Like, of course, he's going to stop at nothing to get his good name back. Right. So I think now in hindsight, they should, even though things were bad for Blake Lively last summer and she was going through like a period of unpopularity and like, you know, I think that was better than what's happening now.

Because even someone like me last summer, I was like, you know what? Even if she's a diva, I don't care. Like, that's not a crime. Like, now we know. She's not the first, not the last. beautiful woman in the world who's married to Ryan Reynolds and has a perfect life is super down to earth normal.

Yeah.

Yeah. And like, just leave us sort of like in the dust of confusion. And now it's messing with Marvel and Deadpool and all that. And I think the whole industry, like nobody wants to touch this with a 10 foot pole. Like I think that the movie and people forget that there was a movie based on like the most popular book of the last five years.

Like it should have been nominated for that golden globe of like box office movies and like the Oscars of like success. It was so successful. And like, I didn't watch the movie. I did read the book.

So what I was going to say is you've podcasted with Claudia on our show, but not The Toast. I think it was The Breath. Right. So you haven't been on The Toast yet. No. So another piece of herstory.

Correct, but I will disagree with you on just that point because something that made the book really good is, like, you're reading the book and you think it's a Colleen Hoover love story, like, and the domestic violence, like, kind of is so surprising and also confusing at first that you have to, like, you sort of go through this journey like the main character does of, like, wait, what was that?

Like, was that an accident? Like, and I understood why they didn't want to promote the movie as, like, being about domestic violence because it's not like a spoiler, but it does take away from the experience of, like...

like watching it unfold kind of watching it unfold which contributed to like how it's not so cut and dry at first like something happens and it could have been an accident and then it's just like it's gray and then it's not so I understood why the They wanted it to not be all about that because the book like isn't really like that. So that was something that she did that.

And the studio had said, like, we don't want you to promote it as a movie. So when she did it, that didn't bother me. But I understand how it looks. Right.

But that was, like, him just, I think, being, like, the worst. Yes.

But still, not a sexual harasser, perhaps.

Herstory.

It's part of his grift.

But he still did it.

Which is very exciting. And we have not met, even though you had podcast with Claudia. And I think she did your show, too, like back in the day.

No, I know.

I think he's sus.

I used to think he was sus. I used to always think he was sus. And then when this actually all started to happen, and I never was like obsessed with her. Like, I never really thought about her. But then I felt really defensive of them. I'm like, this is a nice couple. Like, they don't deserve this. Like, no one does.

And now I'm back on the sus train.

That's the latest. So last week, and we had shared that he had subpoenaed Taylor Swift. He heard that she had these like threatening messages from Blake's team saying like, you need to come out and publicly support me or else I'll like show these messages that you sent.

So you and Claudia go way back. But this is our first time meeting and our first time podcasting. I'm very excited because you do a lot of sports. Obviously, you work at Barstool, but you do a lot of pop culture, too. You have a lot of hot takes. Totally.

Right. For a long time. Like, no, because I feel like everything that they say about her that's like conjecture is just wrong. I even saw a headline today that's like Taylor Swift seemingly celebrates Justin Balton because she went out to dinner. So she had dinner. And so she's celebrating someone's legal win.

But like Blake is the godmother or Taylor's the godmother of Blake's children. Taylor writes songs about her children. Like I think that that's a friendship that's harder to break than just like someone who's composing an inconvenience and getting bad press.

Oh, so you know that. Yeah, yeah.

I could say I want Taylor Swift to be the godmother of my kids. And all of a sudden we're so close to say no.

Yeah. My thought was like, they were so, such good friends. This was just like my feeling, like such best friends, like a sisterhood almost that like, there's nothing that that person could do that would surprise you. So like when, like I would ride for any of my friends, even if they're, are objectively wrong, but like, I would think that they're right. Cause that's my friend.

Like I, like we think the same, we do the same. So like to drop like a lifelong friend, cause it, it just doesn't feel Congress with like true friendship.

So maybe to your point, they weren't as good as friends, but I do think she was like Taylor's strongest celebrity friend. Like, you know, she has Abigail that way. Yeah. Like she was always like she's been around the longest and forever and so much so that their families are like intertwined. So that was what was surprising to me.

But I guess maybe the friendship just wasn't what we thought it was.

Yeah. But I think if it was like a better friendship.

Yeah. Like for like a sisterhood.

Then you're just moral compass is like, I wouldn't drop my friend because of what people are saying.

And she's at the level where she can do what she wants. This won't ruin her reputation. Like even if she's like in the muck with them, I think people also can see through that they're sort of using her name to like, every time her name's in the case, like we're talking about it. So I just feel like it's not like her celebrity status is so precarious.

So like she has to be like, oh, I can't have a whiff of scandal. You know,

But anyway, so the tea this morning is that apparently the insider and then last week, Justin Baldoni's team like rescinded their subpoena of Taylor. Yeah. So, OK. Then Page Six is reporting this morning that the insider who leaked Blake Lively's alleged threat to release Taylor's private text has been revealed. And they're saying it's her father, Scott Swift. He reportedly drama.

I didn't see that one. I thought it was going to be like some publicist. I was like, this is smelly here.

But no, he reportedly went to Justin Baldoni's team with the bombshell claim that Blake Lively threatened to leak his daughter's texts if the pop star did not publicly support her in the ongoing feud with her It Ends With Us co-star.

An insider alleged to the Daily Mail on Friday that Scott Swift did not want his daughter to be dragged into this any further, and he voluntarily gave up this information as part of a deal that would include Justin's team withdrawing their subpoena for Taylor. Well, looks like that happened.

No, I kind of like it too.

I think the Mets are cool as someone who is a New Yorker. like if I had to choose between Mets and Yankees, like I do have more love for the Mets.

No, and, like, if it was tree, then it goes sort of back to, like, this manipulative PR narrative of, like, you know, she's, like, pulling the puppet strings, her and Taylor. But when it's just a dad protecting his daughter, it's like... It's just love. It's just, like, pure love.

But also like, it going through lawyers is kind of even...

more escalated like because it just has a threat like when you want to tell your friend something you just like text them and even if you come up like a crazy like you sent a rage test like that's how friends friend yeah yeah i wouldn't have my lawyer tell my friend's lawyer that my friend needs to do something right that's where i i feel like if that's the road this has gone down either there wasn't that close of a friendship or if there was it's it's gone now yeah doing lawyers like that and

And I think they're having like a lot of big moments.

Yeah. And it looks that way. As long as nothing worse happens. Because every time someone does something right, it, like, gets totally... Swings back the other way.

I totally agree. Those clips just made me never want to watch another movie.

It's weird. You're both married and you're kissing each other. Even when the cameras are stopped rolling, you're still holding each other.

That they're like, they were in, well, that could have been, some people say like, that's how it started. She had a crush on him. I really don't think it's that juvenile. Yeah. I think it was more so about stealing the second movie. But no, I feel like you like hold that, like actors are just weird. And seeing those clips, like just made me realize that even more so. It's just a weird.

Profession.

Welcome back to the Toast. First day of Jax and Friends. Claudia's on maternity leave.

Yeah. Pete Alonzo. He's a good friend of Ben's. He's a mensch. He's a really good guy. So I root for him. They sell Spritz Society at Citi Field. Pickle flavor. Like so tasty.

Yeah, I agree. High level. It's very interesting in the weeds every single day. Not my favorite. Right. But we go like we're probably once a week around here. Little update. Next story was some big news from last week that we absolutely have to talk about because Justin Bieber like is what I mean, the overall question is always what's going on with him.

But especially so because Hailey Bieber was on the cover of Vogue. She had a beautiful Vogue spread. She did some hysterical videos with Vogue. Just like such a beautiful moment for her. In general, for any woman, she talks about her postpartum experience, pregnancy. It was just an amazing interview.

I'm sure you saw the videos of her with like the tincture and like just overall, like couldn't have a negative thing to say about it until her husband chimed in with the world's weirdest Instagram caption. I would call it that.

So Justin Bieber posted the cover to his Instagram, pretty much recounting a memory of a fight that they had. And he had said, hold on, let me get the quote here. He said, yo, this reminds me.

I haven't read it out loud yet. It's going to be painful. Yo, this reminds me when Haley and I got into a huge fight. I told Hales that she would never be on the cover of Vogue. Yikes, I know. So mean. He recalled slinging the insult because he felt so disrespected and thought, I got to get even. He said, I think as we mature, we realize that we're not helping anything by getting even.

We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, which is intimacy and connection. So baby, you already know, but forgive me for saying you wouldn't get a Vogue cover because clearly I was sadly mistaken." So after a few hours of being dragged for this, he changed the caption to a bunch of emojis, but the stench remains.

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I don't think it's as like sinister and sinister as like, she can't be about her. It's about me. I think he thought he was like saying something good about himself and something good about her. Yeah. Like, but it just did not come off that way at all.

It just. And like in the first moment of the cover, like if he just posted the cover was like proud of my girl. And then like later, I don't know, on a podcast or whatever. He was like, you know what? Funny story or whatever.

i do think that was probably like once he saw the reaction he was probably like oh my god like i'm an idiot not like a well i hope i don't know maybe i'm giving too much credit the context of his recent behavior it's worse if if he was just coming off solid as a rock and he slipped up with this uh ill-timed post. Like, I'm a forgiving person. And I am.

And even here, I feel as though I'm giving grace in the moment. But just, like, in the context of everything else that he's been doing in the last few weeks and acting and looking and being... But doesn't that... I almost feel, like, more sympathetic. Yeah.

Is that your fave espresso martini? It is.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think he's not in his right mind at the moment. But I feel like in the last few years, like, he was more in his right mind. And there was a time when he was, like, really acting out. And then he sort of settled. And he got married and he has a baby. And it's like, again. Why now? Perhaps steady, perhaps financial issues. I don't know.

Since before they were cool like the meth?

I agree. Well, I think that's very generous.

I think he lives there. I think every day.

Our next story, I would say, is also good for your business because Jordan Hudson continues to fuel engagement rumors with Bill Belichick by sporting a ring on her left ring finger. So what are your thoughts on Jordan and Bill?

We hate him.

Do you feel bad for him or you couldn't?

Yes. And it did like ruining young lady. I feel like it flipped. It's young lady taking advantage of an old sick man.

Yeah. I would agree with that question for you that we couldn't get to the bottom of on the show. Why is he coaching college football now at UNC?

Yeah.

Like you go up the mountain and then back down.

Yeah.

There's only upside.

Oh, my God. Well, is that like a normal thing for coaches to like then go coach college?

Yeah.

Like where are his kids?

I saw that. Um,

He's like a grown man. It doesn't seem like he has like cognitive issues.

And we can say that it's like, it's weird. You know, we could just say that.

Right.

The PR is trending negative now.

As far as her with an engagement ring, like whether or not they're engaged, if they get married, I don't think it really matters. Like they're together. As long as they're together, they're together.

That's what I wanted to tell you. I'm making some Toast herstory. Let's go. We have KFC Kevin Clancy on the Toast. Welcome to the show.

do that quietly i think if she gets the ring and they're getting married it's gonna be a justin bieber post yeah or maybe it's like she wants to be engaged to him so she's like kind of putting it out into the world like we're engaged here's a ring on my finger so much to the point that like people already think they're engaged and it's like oh so why don't why don't we just do it yeah he's like whatever he's gonna walk down the aisle in a cut off hoodie and what's with the holes in the shirt

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So how do you make one? Do you need to add anything?

You know, like that commercial, like, um, I think it was like an orbit commercial where it's like, they just do that with worth. Yeah.

Oh, that's a good question. They were among the biggest. Yeah. That's always fun to have a couple name. Yeah. So Jutes and now Dutes, I guess. Demi and Lutz got married in a romantic wedding on Sunday as first reported by Vogue. So it was a Vogue wedding. Took place in Santa Barbara. Pictures are in Vogue and also some aerial photos, paparazzi photos of the wedding. Very beautiful.

Very traditional. Not celebrity.

Well, yes, it was like very like standard, like girly getting married. But also Demi has been very... for much of how we've known her.

But no, she's like going all out, you know, in a Chucky-like fashion, which I love.

Yeah. When I see someone else's wedding. Yes. So typically I agree. Like I don't I'm not like looking really for more. I'm just like, OK, she's married woman now. And it's actually interesting the style choice that she made just because she's been so unconventional for a very long time. So that's the interesting part here.

In general, I'm not like picking apart people's weddings, but every once in a while, a wedding comes along that just changes the whole game. So I would say like the last wedding and we could relate on this would be Olivia Colbo and Christian McCaffrey. That's like the last great wedding.

Because like the look, the aesthetic of it or... The aesthetic, the location, the people who came, the two of them, they come from like both celebrities, but a little bit different worlds. And then her dress was weirdly controversial. It was literally the most... traditional conservative dress you've ever saw. So like that, that one, something like that I love.

And then before that was like Sophia Richie Grange, like she set the bar high for a bride. So every once in a while, like a wedding comes along that I'm like, my ears perk up. But typically, no, I'm not like gooped and gagged for someone else's wedding unless I happen to be engaged.

Did you see Olivia Kaufman's wedding dress? Right. Well, actually, I think we have a question about that at Dear Toasters. I wanted to get your opinion because it has to do with a couple planning a wedding. But our fifth and final story, just some fun news is that Alex Earle is joining Dancing with the Stars season 34. Yeah.

So the whole cast hasn't been announced yet, but Alex Earl is joining Robert Irwin, who is Steve Irwin's son, I believe. He's on the cast and she's on the cast and we'll await who else is on it. But she's doing Dancing with the Stars, which I actually feel like is surprising.

It is a big gap for Dancing with the Stars. And I feel like Dancing with the Stars is like one of those things. A lot of people like look down their nose on it and would never do. And it's like a mark of like...

just not bad has been level reality star type thing but i feel like there are people myself included who are like if i get famous i want to go on dancing stars like it's a dream yeah i feel like for her it's like that and i think for her doing like more traditional television is like what she wants to do she just hosted that presented at the amas last night so proud of us for getting through this episode without mentioning the amas yeah yeah

Beautiful.

Like seriously so irrelevant. I actually turned on the beginning and thankfully I got distracted and I could only watch JLo's opening performance.

She's just kissing a bunch of people and like dancing her ass off. Like for what? Like why is she working so hard?

It was crazy that she was hosting. Yeah.

In service of what? I feel like it's to sell tickets for her next tour, her resident, whatever she has next, to show J.Lo still got it. She can dance. She can sing. I got a message received.

I know, but I just feel like no one can tell her anything. If she wants to do something, she's going to do it. Yes, 100%. So I do see like this trend with Alex Earl where like she's obviously conquered the internet. Getting on TV, it's like even though she's more interesting and has more influence than the whole network, like it's a different beast.

Yeah. Like has been. Has been.

I agree. And then also when you think about it, like, you know, she'll be on ABC once a week, eight o'clock, like that's going to open her up to more people that don't know the exact people who don't know her, which is not that many people at this point, but there she is.

Here I go.

I think she'll be great. She went on GMA and was talking about how she danced in high school. She has like a dance background. She's not. dancing illiterate, but she's obviously not like a professional, which is also like an issue. It's a good spot to be though. It is. Because also when you're a professional, people hate on you because it's like, what do you hear? You're meant to be an amateur.

Right.

And if you have a lot of fans, you get the fan vote and then you get a decent score and that's how you win Dancing with the Stars.

Yeah.

Right, right.

Right. And I think it's a good strategy. And we've said like her and her family, I feel like they're going to have a reality show or they're ripe for it. They'll be great for it.

Was that like... So I think from what I understand... No, definitely not amicable. I think Lix, L-I-X, Earl, wanted to leave the network. And then by the time they got around to making the arrangements where like she was leaving, then Unwell put out a statement, we've dropped her. And they said dropped like that. And she's like the biggest show on the network, like obviously wasn't dropped.

So that's where I think it was like getting contentious. But if they had parted more amicably, maybe there would be like a way back to a friendship or whatever. But that was a burned bridge. Yeah. And any whispers about it at the barstool office?

I think that people a lot of people missed the joking part of that. I thought it was real.

No, and even though I probably I think I saw the one that like Alex made with Grace. It never it didn't compute like this.

I think I thought it was real, too. Yeah, I forgot. There's so much lore between Unwell and Barstool. I was just thinking about the Call Her Daddy stuff, but then also the Grace stuff.

Like Fran and Maria?

Like in addition to. Right.

Yeah. So where can people get it? Can they get online?

Yeah. So that was more what I was saying in my interview was like before the show started, like before the show started to take off.

Like a raunchy sex podcast. Yeah.

But in the beginning it was a little like, but until you're so successful, you can't do that.

Yeah. Where it's like, why don't you guys, I remember watching their blogs and they would like not go into the office and it was so funny. Right. I'm sure if you're working at Barstool, like nine to five, it's like, wait, what about us?

Like, like getting in the culture, like other people do that, but they didn't, they didn't and they didn't have to. Did they ask about Sophia at all? Like, is she in this conversation at all? When they... For the documentary.

That was the craziest time.

Right, right, right, right. Between the two of them. Not about the negotiations in general. Because, like, they had a case. Like, their show is, like, the biggest. Like, it was just an anomaly that it happened.

Right. Like, you get all this. But you're giving up this. Yeah. And you just have to wait it out.

Right. But you have to wait. How do you feel when athletes... want to renegotiate their contracts before they're up and they want more money if they're playing well.

But do you think that they should wait or that they should get more money in the middle?

Midnight Bean.

I'm sure they will love you having a pregnant lady. That's everyone's favorite. Yeah.

So you think they should wait. You think it's better for them to wait, but say there's someone who doesn't want to wait. Like, what do you think management should do?

They call her daddy.

Right. Just, It's just math.

Yeah. Yeah.

You guys have done a great job. Big fan. Thanks.

Yes, exactly. But we're very happy for you, and I think the girlies will love that. Everyone loves an espresso martini.

The elk of toasters. No, I totally agree. That's why I think like everyone on earth is going to love this episode. I hope so. Wouldn't.

Especially because we're doing Dear Toasters. So Dear Toasters is our weekly advice segment. And if we ever skip it, like seriously, people riot in the streets because they live for Dear Toasters. So I tried to pick some that we could really use the male perspective on. And let's get into them. Sure. First up, I've been dating my P. John boyfriend. That means precious gem of a man.

So when they say P. John boyfriend.

That's a toast thing. And just know that like he's a great guy. Like mention just like the relationship might be worth saving because otherwise good guy. But obviously there's a problem if she's writing him. For four years, they've been dating and we've been long distance for the past two. We are about to move across the country and live together for the first time.

I love him a lot and there have been zero red flags to date. That is until last weekend. While visiting him, I needed to borrow some socks. And as I was reaching for a pair, I instead grabbed my own worn undies. I immediately pulled them out and saw there were several more pairs. Should I confront him about this? What should I say?

Sincerely, a toaster who has been looking for her favorite pair of seamless skims for months. And this episode is brought to you by Skims, which is hysterical.

So he's been like stealing her undies. What do you do?

it's might be something that he's into. And so it's on the one hand, like it's theft. Like you're taking my undies. They're like nice pricey undies. At least take like the ones with holes. And on the other hand, like it's a secrecy. Cause like if this is your partner for four years, even if they're into something that's like a little off the beaten path, like you should know about that.

Yeah, it's for the girls.

It's a function of the long distance relationship. Like maybe this was how he was feeling close to you, like in times of separation.

They are about to move in together again after two years of doing long distance.

Unlike being for the boys, which you're for the boys.

Yeah.

Right. And the problem solves itself when you move in together. But now do you want to move in with a panty snatcher?

Yeah. And the big question is like, do you talk to him about it? Like you mentioned, I saw it.

This episode is for the everyone, which I'm really jazzed about. So we took off last week and I just want to update everyone because I finally got to watch some television in my life. And I watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And you watched one episode?

It's on me.

You are the first episode going live because today is Tuesday. We are on schedule and I've pre-recorded a little bit of things, but like you're the first episode. We actually have a lot to catch up on because we haven't done the toast since last Friday. Okay. So some of the pop culture stuff we're going to do this week are the big stories from the past week.

Yeah.

You wouldn't want someone to approach you with it like hostility.

Right.

right right right but like what about what if she's not down and she's not cool yeah then then we probably run into maybe there's compromise maybe it's like okay maybe not dirty undies but like

He's kind of gaslighting her. You know, I'm kidding.

That word has gotten so spiraled out of control. It needs to be banned from the human language. What did people say before that?

they're feeling gaslit by the, your face gaslighting is gaslighting me. Right.

Yes.

I'm hoping it's a sexual thing behind this and not a, I don't know what else it would be.

Yeah. It adds like some plausible. Like,

I don't have a strong opinions on it. I think it depends like how old, like what stage in your life can you afford to, I feel like everything takes four times as long, long distance. Do you have that sort of time or not?

I watch a lot of reality TV, been watching it for a really long time. I feel really comfortable saying like, this is the best reality TV we've had in a very long time. Like the first season was so good. It was one of our favorite shows of last year. And then this season is better somehow. Usually like the sophomore slump, everyone all of a sudden gets a little famous. They don't want to...

Yeah. It's nice to like miss each other, but I do think it's not entirely real life all the time. Like you don't know what it's like to be with this person all the time and like hit that threshold of like, okay, now I hate you. And like, how am I going to work through that?

Right. Like I feel like when you're missing one for three days, it's always only good. You're not going to have a fight, but like you do need to have a fight at some point and like see how you guys get through that.

Well, it depends on what your goals are.

Well, two things. One, I feel like if you are a person with like goal, like you have dreams for your life, like you guys need to have a plan. Like there's an end in sight. Okay. In two years, he gets this promotion and he can move back here. I'm going to leave my job and move there. And that's when I want to have a, like you need to like have an end in sight. It can't just like go on.

forever like yeah um but then it also reminds me a lot of Paige and Craig I feel like they had exactly what you just described with like three perfect days four hustle days back to each other we only ever like each other we're traveling so much he's coming to New York and it's in a fun way like and he likes coming here she doesn't like going there oops like theoretically if you didn't want to have kids and a family and you both had careers you could do that forever yeah yeah it's not traditional but it's like but if if both of you don't want to have families it's

Right.

Yeah. What about Craig? Don't say a bad word to me.

Do you watch Southern Charm?

Oh, if you only watch Summer House, you only... That looks shitty.

Yeah, I really... Not to be annoying, I really see both sides of how this went south. I see it from her side, and I see it from his side, and it's just, to me, sad.

I do.

Yeah. Not out of lack of love. But I think now they hate each other. Yes.

Yeah.

They're not pining over one another. No. So people can move on. Oh, yeah. And he already has like a girlfriend, I think.

like risk brand deals and acts wrong. And like, everyone wants just to be well liked because it pays to be the favorite. These girls don't care. And it just, the tides constantly shift. It's been so good. I genuinely entered like a depression when I finished it. And like, I'm not someone who like gets in the weeds of like,

Which is, I mean, that's what he wants. Like, he literally just wants partnership.

Yeah. But yeah, that definitely reminds me of that. Our last, is this the last? Oh no, that was only one. Oh my gosh, we're moving so slow. Like this is the world's longest episode. Next. Hi, Jax and Turt. Cross out KFC. So my fiance is driving me nuts with wedding planning.

When we started the whole thing, I asked how involved he wanted to be and he said he knows I'll do a great job and he trusts me, which is like the normal thing to say. But every time I tell him a plan that's been made for some of the wall options. Oh, but every time I tell him a plan that's been made, he has some off the wall opinions. He is a sweet man who is just excited for our wedding.

But how the heck do I shut down these cringy suggestions without making him feel like I don't care about what he wants? P.S. I love you both.

I don't even know who would wish their partner to be more involved. Yeah.

Yeah. You want like free reign. Cause unless if they're going to agree with you, like thanks point, like I was going to do it anyway. And if they're just going to disagree with you, like it's just more conflicted. Weddings are already like so full of conflict.

I think if you have a strong opinion about a couple things, like I remember in my wedding, my husband had a couple strong opinions about stuff of things that like he wanted. And it's like, okay, let's definitely do those. Cause like, sure. Why not? You want fireworks in our first dance or like sparklers or whatever. Cool. Like, it's not important to me, but like, it's not a deal breaker. Yeah.

So like, I think every guy should get like the couple things, but I don't think guys should have that many things. Like, why do they, why would a guy care so much about specific things? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And also the worst is when people are like, I don't care, babe, do whatever my princess. And then they come in and they're like, Oh, I don't like this, that, this and that. And it's like, well, am I your princess?

I think there's a lot of guys who have no... Like, I had a big wedding. Sure. It gets carried away. It's the industry. They make you get carried away.

Every girl who gets engaged is like, I want to have a small wedding. Like, I would elope. I really don't care about my wedding. Like, winds up having a huge wedding. There's no getting out of it.

drama you know how like there are people who make like videos about like so and so unfollowed so and so like left a comment this like i usually when i turn off the tv like the show ends for me like i don't want to know all this stuff i just like i don't really care about the minutiae right i couldn't get this one yeah yeah well i'm so the one scene i saw there at some dinner table and this girl was flat out like i'm the most popular and i should be making the most money and i was like whoa this is like they're just laying it out there you know yeah

How did this happen? It's like, okay, no, if I'm having a wedding, like I do need flowers on the table.

Well, do you get whatever flowers?

Like, do you think it's just about money or like do whatever you want with the invitations? And she designs an invitation that he has critiques on.

Even people who have unlimited budget still fight about their weddings. Look at Brooklyn and Nicola and their families.

The Beckhams.

Peltz Beckham, the biggest wedding, and the whole families were fighting the whole time. So it's not just about money.

No, it's really, it's a very difficult process.

Do you want to get married again? Is that too? I think so. You do? Yeah. That's nice. Were you involved in your wedding planning when you got married? Yeah. Do you have any, like, what were you precious about?

yeah I feel like you know it was like that's like money and inviting families did you know it's very stressful it was like more stressful than I wanted it to be you know I think it's really stressful for everyone and then I also think people are like is this too is it really bad like are we in a bad spot well you know what I feel like people need to normalize the fact that like it's a miserable experience if you're having a hard time crazy no I hear yourself let's normalize this thing that totally fucking sucks no

to buy a house.

Someone needs to do something about it. Like, someone needs to put their foot down.

We're not gonna take it.

We're not gonna take it.

Yeah.

Also, it's hard like in the city because you get a room, right? And now you have to outfit, you have nothing to work with. Like you have to do everything.

When there's better weather, you're on the, in California, like you have the surroundings to work with. A lot of places here, like you don't have surroundings, especially if you're getting married, like in the winter, like we're just in a room.

And now you got to dress it up.

Yeah. OK, last one. And then, like, we have to get on with our lives, I guess. Like, we have to end this episode at some point. Hi, Jackson KFC. I'm 26 weeks pregnant. Mazel Tov. And my husband, who is usually a pijam, has been less romantic and loving towards me. I asked him about it and he said he feels weird being intimate while thinking of our baby in my stomach.

And also that some of my pregnancy symptoms, like being gassy, achy, etc., are, quote, unattractive.

I know, but remember, he's a PJ.

No, that's really so crazy.

But it makes you wonder what kind of person would say this. Yeah. An incredibly stupid person, an incredibly mean person. You do say he's a PJ. So I'm going to go stupid.

You have to do the work to be able to tell them apart. But then you can. No, that was one of the best scenes ever when they called her out for, like, literally her best friend, she was ready to be like, take her salary and have her off the show because she wanted more money. And at first you're like, oh, you are the fan favorite. Like, you're a big part of the show.

Yeah.

what can you do now like she's pregnant that is a hard and you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube like no and so we're gonna work through it and we're gonna we're gonna if it were me like the girly advice that we would give and what Claudia and I would give is like he needs to be reamed a new asshole yeah he's probably gonna have to just like grovel for the next lifetime doghouse by the way it's also like it's tough as a guy when it's like

Get mean.

Yeah, yeah. Just like seriously.

We need to find harmony. I want to find harmony here.

But you know what else isn't good? Not to give this guy any credit, but when like a man is treating you differently because he feels some sort of way and you're like, you feel like you can feel that he's like being distant and like doesn't want to be lovey with you. And it's like they won't say what's bothering them. Now, he should have come up with something better.

And also, he shouldn't be feeling that way. He should find you carrying his child to be the most beautiful thing in the world. But at least it's not gaslighting you into thinking it's in your head.

you're beautiful just tell them to fuck off listen to the toast and like just doghouse like i don't know what to tell you that's really that's unfortunate that would make me really upset honestly that's a hard one to get through that's probably going to be a lot of like forgiveness and uh you're allowed to be upset though like you don't have to get over it yeah that's not going to just be like that's my advice right just be mad get mad and get even

Oh my God. No, stop. It's going to be great. You're going to be an amazing mom and he'll learn. They're slow, but men learn.

Maybe you should get paid more than the others. And then Taylor, Frankie, Paul...

I agree with you. So I hope that makes you feel better. He's not mean. He's just dumb. Thank you so much, KFC. My pleasure. What can everyone follow you? Listen to your show if they want more KFC, if they want more espresso martinis. Yeah.

slaps her dick on the table and it's like you're the fan favorite just because you say things at a dinner that people like you haven't shared anything about your life like she puts her whole life on display for the show if anybody should get paid more it's her not only did she get the show for them by being who she is but so much of the storyline is about her personal life like if you want if you're in the drama with the girls like yeah it's interesting but it's low stakes for you like you're not risking anything it's just putting your whole business out there but there's so many of them

It does.

Well, thank you so, so much for giving us an hour and a half long episode. We love you guys very much. We will see you tomorrow. I have such a special guest already done and dusted in the books. And I hope everyone has a great day. We love you. Bye.

But of course, a lot has happened in the last week. Our dear Claudia has given birth and she is doing great. So I just wanted to update everyone. I know everyone wants all the updates from her and I'm sure she'll share more when she's ready, but it's just been a really lovely week, a quiet week. Par-G week, and we're really happy for Claudia.

Well, they're all like have different degrees in Mormonism. Right. That's what I mean.

They're all so different. Theirs are different. Just couldn't pick two to be the same.

So they went on Vanderpump Villa, but I haven't watched that yet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, she really is. And so she's back. So they did this Vanderpump Villa crossover that has actually become the supply for a lot of drama on the Mormon Wives show. Because apparently like stuff happened in the villa. Sure. And they're bringing it up. So it's actually, it's very good synergy. And I have to watch Vanderpump Villa if I want to know more.

Yes. Oh, I've watched it all.

I didn't watch Traders.

Yeah.

That's good. Like I'm, I don't hate him like so aggressively anymore. And I feel like I'm special because I didn't like him even before Scandaval. So it's like I saw right through him. So I can go back to those like low levels of dislike.

But no one should like live in that forever, you know, and we can't have those like strong feelings about him forever. Like he lost, like he did something really awful. He lost literally everything.

Right.

Yeah.

You know, most people are like outside the restaurant picketing. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, that's good. I'm like sort of happy for him, but Vanderpump, as we know, it is over because they're recasting that show.

Scandival gave them an extra two seasons, but I think this would have happened two years ago, if not for Scandival.

It did.

Baby Brunson. Spoiler alert, the name is The Brun. That is so funny. Was there a Knicks game on last night? I can't keep up.

Well, I think now we're going through this inflection point. Yes, I was just talking about this yesterday with my guest for tomorrow, which I don't want to spoil, but of like people growing out of reality shows because the formula doesn't work anymore. You're not just drinking like you want to get married and have children and like you have to not do that.

Yeah, especially for the girls. So, But these are like tested, tried and true reality stars. We shouldn't let them go. Like they're great television as opposed to them trying to find new people who we don't might not like and probably don't because they're very bad at casting.

But I feel like the Valley has really solved this problem a little bit of like the aging reality stars who like we still love and we want to see. But just because like you have a baby or something doesn't mean that like you can't do it anymore, but not in the way that you were. So I think people are saying like Lindsay Hubbard should go to Real Housewives of New York. That doesn't really excite me.

But I think a Valley like show in the city that's like.

Okay, and the Knicks won two nights ago.

That's a good point. But I do feel like that's why the Valley is good because they're still they have kids. They're still the most dramatic people I've ever seen. Like there have all these fights. Well, they're all divorcing and they're fighting with each other. So I don't feel like they're just like boring married people. But yeah, I guess we should stay away from the boring married people.

You're a Knicks fan. Yes. What are your teams?

Right.

Oh, my God.