Kevin Kelly

That's this idea like the reward for work is more work, is you want to be doing something where the goal is to spend more time doing it.

Yes, productivity is fine, but what you're trying to do is actually move your time so that you are trying to spend as much time doing it and trying to find those kinds of tasks and those kinds of assignments and those kinds of jobs where you would almost pay to do it.

And so in English, we conflate lots of things in the word work.

Sounds bad.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's often very negative, but then you have the great masterworks and great work.

And so you have both meanings.

We're sometimes conflated.

Maybe we need some new words about what that other state is where you are working, doing, making, creating.

And you want to spend as much time as possible.

And the more you do it, the more you can do it.

And generally, I'm very bored by money.

I'm very, very bored.

One of my things about crypto, my son and my son-in-law were kind of into crypto for a while.

And I would say, look, okay, I'm willing to have a conversation about crypto, but here's one caveat.

You can't mention the word money.

You can't talk about making money, saving money, whatever it is.

Let's talk about crypto without talking about money.

Those are very short conversations.

And that's the problem with crypto is that it was only about money, which is only a single dimension.