Kevin McCloud

And, of course, 24 of them painted what they thought were Emily's, but Emily's already moved on and she's doing something different.

But they tell fantastic stories of the development of a whole community's work.

That's right.

That's right.

And for instance, in the early, there are a lot of works, early West Australian works, mainly on paper, but

we have in the collection the very first painting of Perth 1826 or 1827 and that's the most borrowed and most illustrated little watercolour and it's absolutely brilliant where the artist Frederick Garling got the plants right

He got the plants right, whereas the next painting from there done by a surgeon who was on a ship that came here, did some drawings and then went home to England and painted and hopeless.

Poplars, poppies, kangaroos, Aborigines that look weird, yeah.

My hope would be that it would continue in the form that it's in and in the ethic behind it of being a public private collection.

Accessible to people.

And it's not only accessible for exhibition, but we have people coming to do research here all the time.

Loans to all sorts of people are shed out the back of Bourke, which doesn't have the right temperature and humidity.

But if they're only there for a month, who cares?

The artist's being shown.

So education, education, research, loans, stimulation.

This podcast is proudly presented by the Australian Institute of Architects, the voice for Australia's built environment and the designers who shape it.

I was just about to say, Tim, I was just about to say.

So you may have heard in a recent episode we talked about Tim's idea of releasing a special Design Adventure episode but only on cassette and releasing it with a cassette player, obviously.

How else are you going to listen to it, right?

And you found some cheap ones?