Kevin Roberts

And our fellow traditional Catholic family say, y'all are kind of pulling up the caboose, Robert.

We're enamored with that idea.

We didn't propose that in our paper because we want to do more research.

So two things I will say.

What you described is basically Hungary's system.

And the second thing is we see this family policy paper as sort of a launch point to commence conversations like what you and I are having.

We thought, especially given the news cycle, that we would get a lot more blowback on this paper, including from some conservative circles.

While there are truly legitimate critiques of using government policy that as a conservative organization, we shouldn't be talking about government programs for anything.

Okay.

And while that is a good faith, legitimate argument.

That's the only argument?

Yeah, for the most part.

Okay, got it.

Our response is, well, you're not going to be able to afford what we're doing if you don't have more kids as a civil society.

And so what we will continue to do is do research on programs like what you've described.

The second point I will say is, I think there's a real opportunity here for states to participate.

In fact...

As a conservative, I would prefer states to do most policy.

State legislatures could receive block grants from the federal government to go innovate and see over 5 or 10 or 15 years with incentives for them if there is an improvement in both the marriage and birth rates.

No, we don't believe that it is.