Kevin Woodley

Like absolutely.

And he, and he said that at his introductory between him and the twins when they were introduced at that introductory press conference, when he was asked, cause he, cause he was honest and upfront right away that man, he was the guy they wanted to talk to first.

And that, you know, the scope of the search would kind of depend on those conversations and how they went.

So, and he talked about that second year being the more impressive of the two.

So yeah, you're right.

Like it's,

Again, how long you can tolerate it, I guess, will become a question at the highest levels of the organization.

But it seems very clear that everyone from the Sedins to Johnson and now Malhotra understands how difficult this process is going to be.

And yet I was encouraged to hear him talk about structure in all three zones.

About there being no uncertainty of how you're supposed to play, where you're supposed to be.

I talked to defensemen who spent time in Abbotsford over the last few years and then came up and specifically late this year about how the reads were different.

under the Adam foot system compared to what they were playing in Abbotsford and harder and more sort of not intuitive, but just more of a rebate system.

And we saw some of the struggles with that.

And so having signposts along the road, beyond wins and losses,

that start with structure and consistency and continuity and everybody understanding what they're supposed to do roles and how you're supposed to play.

Like that's all really encouraging.

And I think it's easy to, it's easy to buy into that being the path to getting out of the losing.

as an outsider looking in from them, because it's easy to buy into the way Ryan Johnson describes it.

And I think we'll probably come out of the, it was easy to buy into talking to Manny about coaching two years ago when he was leading their American hockey league team to its first ever Calder cup championship, the harder part and the part that they're going to have to go through is getting guys, including experienced NHLers to all buy into the same thing.

And as Johnson said, there will be some that won't.