Kevin Woodley

as an outsider looking in from them, because it's easy to buy into the way Ryan Johnson describes it.

And I think we'll probably come out of the, it was easy to buy into talking to Manny about coaching two years ago when he was leading their American hockey league team to its first ever Calder cup championship, the harder part and the part that they're going to have to go through is getting guys, including experienced NHLers to all buy into the same thing.

And as Johnson said, there will be some that won't.

And they will make it clear that they don't want to be here by that.

And then the harder part becomes moving on from those people.

And so I think there are players on this team that we're going to have to wait and see how quick they buy into all of these elements.

And then if they don't, how long it takes for them to be moved out.

But the fact there's going to be standards in place.

He talked about it.

How we treat each other.

Like that's going to become a part of the culture in the locker room.

So these are, again, they're all just words, but I think if nothing else, the way they're being spoken, the way the message is being delivered, there's a willingness and the fact it's the first time to give them time to make them more than words.

That's a good question.

Because we've seen both, right, in the past, work and not work.

I think it kind of depends on does it not be...

the players, not whether they're experienced or veterans or not, but the individuals, right?

Like the people they are.

Like Carberry went into a room with, you know, John Carlson and Alex Ovechkin and a whole bunch of proven veterans, right?

So the expectation there was to still compete and potentially win.

And I think that, again...