Kevin Young

And that part also interests me.

The TV was a box of shadows.

And so this goes to a little bit what we were talking about before, this kind of memento mori of it all.

And I wonder about that quality that's lurking beneath smoking and razors and

The bombshells are, yeah.

There's a mortality but also a sense of doom that cruises through the poem.

And I'm curious about how aware you were or, you know, were you doling it out for us or did it come this way?

People play it in the elevator.

You'll be in the elevator and someone has to have their device going.

It's amazing to me.

Totally.

Are you indicting now as much as then?

Well, and I think it's very clear, though they probably let you die of colon cancer without making you defecate first.

And this idea of...

Not every discovery is a great one in the sense that, sure, now we can, but there's this kind of, I think you're interested here in the sort of indignities of daily life.

And I'm curious about, you know, we were talking a lot about ritual and there's a level of dailiness here that, you know, isn't exactly ritual, but also kind of is ritual.

Is that something you think through?

It turned off.

You remember when TV used to turn off at night?

People don't remember that now.