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Keyu Jin

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1055 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

That's how it works.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

The metrics shouldn't be geared just towards growth alone, GDP growth alone.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

It was just singular GDP growth and you can borrow heavily and just spend on infrastructure.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

That's not a productive way to drive the economy.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

That's what the local governments were doing for a long period of time.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

In the last few years, innovation, unicorns have kind of been an implicit yardstick for local governments.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

That's kind of how we've seen these great EV companies, 80 cities doing EVs.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

I mean, do we really need 80 cities to do their own EVs, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

Solar panels, now DeepSeek has become a star.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

Semiconductor companies, each local government wants to have their own national champion EVs.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

So implicitly, technology was part of the yardstick competition as well.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

But if you can more accurately have a metric for consumption measures, really focus on making sure that it's coming from consumption, this GDP growth, rather than from investment or infrastructure, then I think that it might focus the government's objective a bit more on

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

thinking about how to make people feel more secure so that they want to save more.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

For instance, creating more jobs.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

For instance, more on social security spending, on health care, on elderly care.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

Because for the longest period of time, this political economy model was brilliant at scaling up supply, but it was extremely weak at raising personal consumption because the incentive does not lie in consumption, it lies in production.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

So you shift the objectives a little bit and maybe the local government will do more.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

I think it depends on the timing.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

If you're starting something, starting a new emerging strategic sector like EVs or batteries or solar panels, you need the local governments to be involved, to mobilize, the big push to coordinate the supply chains.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

If you wait for the markets to develop over time, it's going to take a long time.