Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Maybe they don't even want to do it.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Look at the U.S.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
The U.S.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
is very, very behind on some of the new strategic sectors.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
But once you've reached a certain level of market competition, I think the state needs to withdraw or to retreat because ultimately the state is not the best at allocating resources, picking winners.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
You want the private actors, whether it's the venture funds or the through-market competition, to ultimately decide who gets the most resources.
Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
But in the beginning, that big push is not really in any of the canonical models that I've studied in economics in the Western school of thought.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
State push, state mobilization, state initiation, that's not there.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
But I think if you look at EVs, solar panels, even just thinking about the idea of reforms in the first place, that initial state push was vitally important.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
The other negative, although I think by and large positive aspect is I don't.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
think that we need 80 cities to do their own EV brands, but to get started, maybe that's what it would have taken to drive that incentive.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
And then ultimately, it's up to the market to decide who are the last five remaining EV companies, right, through market mechanisms.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
That's Chinese-style industrial policy.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Industrial policy was heavily criticized.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
And again, if I talk to my
Lex Fridman Podcast
#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
Harvard professors, they will be very, very, very skeptical about the role of the state, especially in such a major way.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
But if you look at the Chinese experience, the evidence for success is all there.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
The cities that have pushed the most on supporting that particular sector ultimately did the best in terms of production, but also in terms of innovation, measured by patents.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
It's all in the data.
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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism
But the downside is that a lot of the capital is wasted.