Kieran Cuddihy

We might talk about that in a moment because that's an interesting one as well.

How people manage that and how some people that's permissible for and not others.

But there'll be others listening to this and...

what they'll be saying is, hold on, you know, never convicted in a court of law.

He was acquitted the one time he was actually charged.

And they'll take the view of the Jackson estate, I think, which is that, you know, this is...

kind of desperate money grabbing by different people over the years.

Do you think because of...

his status and because of his childhood and because of the endearing way people kind of reflected on his music.

In a way, we overcomplicate our analysis of him.

You know, that we all become amateur psychologists trying to talk about him as Peter Pan.

You mentioned it.

You know what I mean?

And it's in the name of your documentary, you know, this kind of Peter Pan obsession.

But at the same time, just the other side of it is that old thing of, you know, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

You know what I mean?

He bragged about...

you know, his obsession with children and sleeping in the same bed as children and locking the door while he was in the room with children.

And then those children turned around and said he sexually abused them.

Has there been renewed pushback on you given he's in the headlines again?