Kieran

So, I mean, maybe what politicians, particularly government politicians, might say to that is there's a much more robust public procurement process in Ireland.

What you're describing certainly might have been the case in the past.

When it comes to RT, then what additional information do you think should be on paper?

So make it easier to hire and fire in the public sector akin to the private sector.

Yeah.

What about the argument that, I guess, public bodies do work that doesn't necessarily generate a return?

But how do you measure sufficiency or functionality when there's not a cost-benefit element to it?

Because that's what would happen in the private sector.

You're not making money, you're costing us money, you're gone.

That's method's view.

You're costing us money, you're gone.

Yeah.

And do you think that's a chronic problem across all public bodies and civil service?

Yes, I do.

That essentially the book doesn't stop with anyone?

Yeah.

Listen, stay on the line on it because I suspect other people will want to get in touch on that issue of accountability, be it in RTE, in public service, in civil service, in public bodies, semi-state bodies, whatever it happens to be in the health service.

It's a conversation we've had before, but it's well worth having again to a degree.

So 51551 if people want to send me a text on that or give me a call on 01525.

4747, but Daniel is on the line as well.