Kieran

Senior editors in other media organisations utterly independent of RTE didn't either.

And that's why you didn't want to pay your licence fee.

Yeah, well, listen, I'm not going to defend the editorial decisions of every different editor and every different show across the RTE schedule because I have no idea why most of them make the decisions they do.

But, I mean, there's the possibility... Yeah, but there's the possibility that... It's not your fault.

No, but I mean, there's the possibility in that situation that, you know, that's very... Like, as you said, she's doing that for the Irish Times.

And...

I mean, as far as I know, I mean, she's kind of appeared on audio platforms as well for the Irish Times.

But I'm just thinking, Sarah, maybe I'm kind of, this is slightly like the lady doth protest too much.

But I mean, in the last couple of days here, kind of, we've dealt with issues around anti-Semitism and accusations of racism.

And we've kind of dealt with issues about immigration and about kind of Irish identity and what it means and how charged that topic is at the moment.

I mean, which of those should we have dropped to cover the stories you wanted?

Oh gosh, Sandra, I'll let you go.

I'll let you go.

People are wondering who you're talking to in the frozen foods aisle.

Paul Cassidy is on the line.

Paul, what have you made of this latest story?

But it's not a great look all the same, is it, Paul?

It's one of optics though, isn't it?

It's like, you know, it's one of optics, you know, for people who, you know, they're not watching an Oireachtas media committee and they're not maybe drilling down into the detail and they just see a headline, you know, RT forced to kind of revise top 10 payments and they just roll their eyes and they think, Jesus, they're at it again.

It's stupid safety worth.