Kim Barker

Oh, this is like this crazy hat that is made of feathers.

I love it.

I had lost it for a long time and I just found it.

So that's the hat I'm wearing now.

Oh, my God.

It looks great.

It'll be coming with me back to Kiev.

Amazing.

It's cold there, man.

I've heard.

I've heard.

Kim Barker, welcome to the show.

Thanks very much for having me.

Yeah, it's been very confusing and a bit of whiplash in Ukraine as well with what happened last Thursday when this 28-point peace plan was leaked.

And all of a sudden, everybody in Ukraine is looking at this peace plan and they're looking at every single point and saying to themselves, this sounds an awful lot like Russian talking points, like everything Russia ever wanted.

But then at the same time, they're hearing that this is an American plan, and there's a lot of pressure for Ukraine to accept it right away.

And you have to understand the situation on the ground right now.

You've got people who are very tired of this war going on for years.

And I think a lot of Ukrainians, if you were to ask them, they would say, yes, let's get some sort of peace deal that's not too bad for Ukraine, right?

They would like to get something.