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Kim Ghattas

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Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

But can I add one more thing about the planning for this, which is quite important, which is a meeting in Beirut.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

between Ariel Sharon and Bashir Jemayel.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

Ariel Sharon travels secretly to Lebanon and is welcome to the port city of Jounieh, north of Beirut, and is driven to al-Shafi'i, the very center of Beirut and Christian area of Beirut.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And this is where he overlooks Beirut from the little hilltop of al-Shafi'i with Bashir Jemayel by his side and his commanders, et cetera.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And there is kind of an agreement that, you know, as I said, they will invade and Bashir Jameel and his men will do the ground to, will do the street by street operations in the city.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

One of these commanders says, this is a terrible idea.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

We're going to be bombing an Arab capital.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

We're going to besiege an Arab capital.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

This has never happened before.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

There have been wars between Israel and its Arab neighbors before, but never had Israel bombed an Arab city.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

I mean, there was a brief moment of bombings of Cairo, but a sort of intentional, sustained bombing of an Arab capital and a full invasion of an Arab country, that had not happened before.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

And it is an inflection point in the national psyche of Israel

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

of what is permissible after that.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

I would say more than irritation, if I may, Anita.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

Well, because we have to remember that by then the Palestinians are very much a party to this war and there are massacres on both sides by both sides.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

So there's a lot of blood and anger by then.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

Absolutely.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

400,000 Palestinian refugees, amongst them civilians and a faction of militants, 15,000 militants, I think if my math is correct.

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

So a majority of civilians

Empire: World History
352. Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon (Part 7)

are living in what used to be initially just camps with literal tents and whatever was available in 1948.