Kim (Kimbly)

the war book for the Iraq war created before it started.

And it does say it's for internal use only.

So somebody might be at the door before, but there was something that happened there that really jarred me is I was working the night, the or the day the war broke out.

And one of the vice presidents came up to me.

I was an executive executive producer of regular CNN at the time.

She said to me and a small group of other people, she said, we're supporting the war.

And to me as a journalist, I was floored.

It should be we're covering the war.

Now I think.

And I think the pressure from Fox News had a lot to do with it because it's flag waving, patriotism, that no matter what would happen, they would still be supporting the war.

And that's why CNN went on in that.

So I don't know if that's ever been made public.

That was the...

Well, I think there was a turning point against Trump that has to do with CNN.

I wasn't there then, but this is from my observations.

Jeff Zucker was in charge of the Today Show when during the 2016 campaign.

And Trump was always doing something outlandish, controversial.

on the verge of him supposedly having to drop out of the race.

So they would have him on there doing telephone interviews almost daily.

And at the top of the show, eating up tons of time, just totally drowning out all the other candidates.