Kim Leadbetter

And I think that was when Jo first experienced loneliness and an issue that she came to work on a lot later in life.

But we were really close and I've got nothing but an abundance of happy memories when we were kids.

And we didn't have anything fancy.

We weren't from a posh, privileged family or anything.

We certainly weren't from any sort of political dynasty.

You know, we just went, we played out on our BMX bikes, we climbed trees.

We pretended we were in the 18.

We made up dance routines to 80s pop music.

You know, we just had a really lovely childhood.

And then going through school, Jo was really popular.

She was academic.

She was sporty.

But she was always thinking about what she could do to make a difference.

Jo, as you said, was really academic.

She went to Cambridge.

But when she went to Cambridge, she did find it really difficult.

You know, it's a different world.

And it does remind me of Parliament in lots of ways.

Like if that is not your background, if you're from a, you know, fairly basic working class background in the north of England, that is not your world.

And she really struggled.