Kim Severson

We fully believe that he is going to continue to play that game.

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From The New York Times, I'm Kim Severson, and this is The Daily. A gloves-off trade war with America is uniting Canadians from all corners of the country against its southern neighbor. Today, my colleague Matina Stevis-Gridneff on what that trade war means for the future of the relationship and how this fight is shifting the country's politics, its culture, and its place on the global stage.

From The New York Times, I'm Kim Severson, and this is The Daily. A gloves-off trade war with America is uniting Canadians from all corners of the country against its southern neighbor. Today, my colleague Matina Stevis-Gridneff on what that trade war means for the future of the relationship and how this fight is shifting the country's politics, its culture, and its place on the global stage.

It's Thursday, March 13th. Matina, you've been traveling across Canada reporting on what's turned out to be a very big news week. Thank you for taking the time to come on the show. Thank you so much for having me, Kim. So coming into his presidency, I think there was an expectation that Trump might make waves on matters of international diplomacy.

It's Thursday, March 13th. Matina, you've been traveling across Canada reporting on what's turned out to be a very big news week. Thank you for taking the time to come on the show. Thank you so much for having me, Kim. So coming into his presidency, I think there was an expectation that Trump might make waves on matters of international diplomacy.

But I don't think many of us had make Canadians really, really angry on their bingo card.

But I don't think many of us had make Canadians really, really angry on their bingo card.

So let's rewind a little and just remind me of how we got here. We're in a place where Canadians who, to many Americans, seem very, very nice, have turned downright hostile and find themselves in such a political vice.

So let's rewind a little and just remind me of how we got here. We're in a place where Canadians who, to many Americans, seem very, very nice, have turned downright hostile and find themselves in such a political vice.

Right. I think a lot of us did. And no one knew if it was one of the many things that he says that you don't know whether to take seriously or not. For sure.

Right. I think a lot of us did. And no one knew if it was one of the many things that he says that you don't know whether to take seriously or not. For sure.

Right. And we've talked on the show before about the threat of tariffs and the way Trump justified them at the outset. is that he would be using them as a way of forcing our neighboring countries to reduce both migrant traffic and drug traffic from coming into the U.S. But these are not, seems to me, major problems at the border of Canada.

Right. And we've talked on the show before about the threat of tariffs and the way Trump justified them at the outset. is that he would be using them as a way of forcing our neighboring countries to reduce both migrant traffic and drug traffic from coming into the U.S. But these are not, seems to me, major problems at the border of Canada.

So was there a sense among the Canadian government that this was about something else? Absolutely.

So was there a sense among the Canadian government that this was about something else? Absolutely.

I mean, this seems like an extraordinary moment. Here is Trump on the phone with Trudeau, essentially saying, I don't respect your borders or your sovereignty. How is the Canadian government reacting to all this at this point?

I mean, this seems like an extraordinary moment. Here is Trump on the phone with Trudeau, essentially saying, I don't respect your borders or your sovereignty. How is the Canadian government reacting to all this at this point?