Kim Severson

I don't really want to play Canada's therapist here, but what's behind the reaction? Is it defiance? Is it betrayal? I mean, what do you think is unifying the Canadians at this point?

I don't really want to play Canada's therapist here, but what's behind the reaction? Is it defiance? Is it betrayal? I mean, what do you think is unifying the Canadians at this point?

We'll be right back. Matina, you were telling us that what's happening in Canada in response to the trade wars and to the intense rhetoric coming from the Trump administration was beginning to change Canada in some extremely significant ways that really have long-term implications. Can you tell me what you mean by that?

We'll be right back. Matina, you were telling us that what's happening in Canada in response to the trade wars and to the intense rhetoric coming from the Trump administration was beginning to change Canada in some extremely significant ways that really have long-term implications. Can you tell me what you mean by that?

So Canadians know him as a solid economics policy guy. For sure.

So Canadians know him as a solid economics policy guy. For sure.

Okay. Can you remind me how this works? So he's serving as prime minister, and then he has to run fairly soon again as prime minister. Can you just give me the little Canadian Parliament 101?

Okay. Can you remind me how this works? So he's serving as prime minister, and then he has to run fairly soon again as prime minister. Can you just give me the little Canadian Parliament 101?

That seems kind of head-spinning. So he's got to ride the momentum, right? But he also has to be kind of avoiding an all-out trade war with Trump, cut a deal, still look like he's standing up to Trump. This seems like an incredible needle to try to thread.

That seems kind of head-spinning. So he's got to ride the momentum, right? But he also has to be kind of avoiding an all-out trade war with Trump, cut a deal, still look like he's standing up to Trump. This seems like an incredible needle to try to thread.

So what about Polayev? I can imagine that being a right-wing populist who is compared to Trump is suddenly not a great thing to be in Canada.

So what about Polayev? I can imagine that being a right-wing populist who is compared to Trump is suddenly not a great thing to be in Canada.

Is he trying to put distance between himself and Trump as he shifted his campaign?

Is he trying to put distance between himself and Trump as he shifted his campaign?

Are either of these candidates articulating what the future of Canada would look like? Are they talking about what would happen if the United States isn't at play anymore?

Are either of these candidates articulating what the future of Canada would look like? Are they talking about what would happen if the United States isn't at play anymore?

Mm hmm. Matina, in any good relationship, trust is essential. So in this relationship between the United States and Canada, let's say Trump goes back on the tariffs, decides that he wants things back to the way they were with Canada. Can the relationship be put back together again?

Mm hmm. Matina, in any good relationship, trust is essential. So in this relationship between the United States and Canada, let's say Trump goes back on the tariffs, decides that he wants things back to the way they were with Canada. Can the relationship be put back together again?

Matina, as always, thank you. Thank you, Kim. On Wednesday, hours after Trump's global tariffs on steel and aluminum took effect, the Canadian government retaliated with new tariffs on $20 billion of U.S. imports. That came as the European Union also hit back with new levies against American goods.

Matina, as always, thank you. Thank you, Kim. On Wednesday, hours after Trump's global tariffs on steel and aluminum took effect, the Canadian government retaliated with new tariffs on $20 billion of U.S. imports. That came as the European Union also hit back with new levies against American goods.