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For many federal student loan borrowers, the past few years probably felt like whiplash.

You had the Biden administration attempting to pass the sweeping student loan forgiveness and create more affordable repayment options, but most of those ended up struck down or held up in court.

As a result, many borrowers haven't had to make a payment in years.