Kimberly Adams

And why was that an important catch?

How has this pass model, like that Vail rolled out with the Epic Pass, changed the industry overall?

So you mentioned this a bit already, but in addition to the Epic Pass, there's the Icon Pass and the Indy Pass.

What does it mean, especially for skiers and snowboarders, that this pass system is now so pervasive throughout the system?

So even though these passes have been such a big moneymaker for Vail and similar resorts, sales for that pass have been slowing in recent years.

What do you see as the future of the system?

Roberto Ferdman is a senior video correspondent with The Wall Street Journal.

Thank you so much.

This final note on the way out today, if you've been wondering about whether the Supreme Court's recent ruling overturning some of President Trump's tariffs means a refund is coming your way, you're going to have to keep wondering for now.

The Hill reports that Customs and Border Protection told a federal judge that it's more than 40 percent of the way there in terms of developing software.

That could help businesses start getting tariff refunds, but it needs at least a few more weeks of performance testing.

For consumers, who knows?

Our daily production team includes Libby Burdett, Andy Corbin, Maria Hollenhorst, Sarah Leeson, Sean McHenry, Michaela Sia, and Sofia Terenzio.

Will Story is a supervising senior producer, and I'm Kimberly Adams.

We'll see you tomorrow.

This is APM.

There's a lot going on right now.

Mounting economic inequality, threats to democracy, environmental disaster, the sour stench of chaos in the air.

I'm Brooke Gladstone, host of WNYC's On the Media.

Want to understand the reasons and the meanings of the narratives that led us here and maybe how to head them off at the pass?