Kirk Goldsberry

It's still the Cavs.

But we did see the Cavs play in the playoffs last year, Bill.

No, we didn't.

It was, but if that's your, if that's your favorite, I'm fine with that.

I just think there's a wide openness to the Eastern conference.

That's very exciting.

And you have teams like Detroit and Toronto and Miami who are threatening to sort of crash that party.

And you could tell me the Hawks are in that group too, but I just, you look at the West and you're like, okay, this is the thunderous

unless the Nuggets have a postseason run of the ages.

But the East just seems like it's the most wide open that I can remember any conference since I've been covering the league.

Oh, really?

With the Bain and then the two young ones, or the Boncaro, Wagner, Wendell.

Yeah.

No, he would have traded with Joe Dumars to elevate his draft position for next year, which is looking like an incredible move by Ansi in the Hawks front office.

Right.

And again, if we're doing what would Presti do, the move is to keep that pick and get a Chet Holmgren type player on your team next year and be ready to go.

And I love the Hawks, not just this year, but more so deep into the future.

I mean, Jalen Johnson is great.

And Dyson Daniels, like they have such an identity now.

But Detroit's the one.