Kirk Hamilton

theater productions.

And I did a bunch of theater in college and when I was younger than that.

And for a time period, I was like, this might be my thing that I'm really into is theater.

And while I was at the Phoenix, I also started a small business with two really good friends from college who we had all done theater together and we started this theater company.

And we did not have an operating agreement and we did not have an LLC.

We didn't do any of that stuff.

So in some ways, it's like, was it even a real company?

There were no documents that needed to be broken up when this company did, spoilers, break up.

And this was kind of a different situation from yours, Kirk, in the sense that...

it wasn't a power struggle where everybody wanted ownership.

It was a situation where I took ownership of a lot of tasks kind of without asking the other people like you.

And then I got very resentful that I was doing a lot and that other people weren't.

And that became an issue over time.

And eventually I

Very melodramatically, I would say, I do regret this, quit the project and was like, all of you have let me down.

You weren't doing all the things I expected you to do.

Now, did I communicate any of those things with the two of you or did any of the three of us really sit down and actually nail down what this project would be and who would have responsibilities or ownership over each piece of it?

No.

So I also learned a lesson about, again, just having really clear expectations if you start a project.

But I think another piece of that that I'm not sure if this happened to you, Kirk, was just the concept of starting a business with people who are really close friends of yours can sometimes be really fraught as well, because sometimes...