Konstantin Kisin

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It's very difficult, isn't it, Jeremy, to remain pure in inverted commas or to have your intentions remain pure when you've got so many, how can I put this, competing incentives when you're a podcaster or you have a company like The Daily Wire.

How do you ensure that the choices you make are the right ones?

Well, we absolutely do.

And I mean, well, let's talk about it.

I mean, one of the people who is at the forefront of the movement that you've just talked about, let's call it the grifting industrial complex, is Candace Owens.

When Candice worked for you, do you sometimes look back at the decision and think, that wasn't a good one when she was working at The Wire?

It's such a profound point.

And because I have this joke, which is we all treated COVID like a bad one night stand.

We're just going to walk away going, no, that never happened.

I never said this.

I never did that.

And we're just all going to walk away and pretend like it was just one big dream.

One of the things I wanted to talk to you about is we talked a little bit about, touched on it almost like charisma.

I've got this theory, and I'd be very interested to hear your view on it, having worked with actors and influencers.

To me, charisma and mental illness...

Kind of almost intrinsically linked.

And I'll tell you why.