Ex-Climate Activist Speaks Out - Lucy Biggers

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Konstantin Kisin 0:00
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Konstantin Kisin 0:36
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Lucy Biggers 1:20
I'm on the right side of history. I'm atoning for being descended from this oppressive group of people. And so it was all in my psychology a way to be a good person. I gave AOC one of her first interviews. I interviewed Greta Thunberg. And look at her now. I mean, I feel like she's lost the plot. I didn't know how bad Stalin and Mao were. I did not know. I didn't know. I really thought that we were just the worst country, which is really, it's so sad. I truly was the definition of a useful idiot. It's like I have 10 years to live.
Unknown 1:52
It's kind of brainwashing, isn't it?
Lucy Biggers 1:54
Yeah. I think it's brainwashing, and I'll be even more hyperbolic. I say it's a crime against humanity.
Konstantin Kisin 1:59
Can you win those people over?
Lucy Biggers 2:00
We can win them over. I think we're moving out of this emotional heightened space.
Konstantin Kisin 2:04
What?
Lucy Biggers 2:05
I think we are. What? I don't think it's getting worse because of social media and because of like Trump derangement syndrome for the last 10 years. I think it's like something's got to give.
Konstantin Kisin 2:16
Lucy, welcome to Trigonometry.
Lucy Biggers 2:17
Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
Konstantin Kisin 2:20
Oh, it's great to have you. You were a climate activist and you're not anymore. You have a very interesting story to tell. So why don't we just get started there? What is your story?
Lucy Biggers 2:30
Yeah, so I was a climate activist for half my 20s. So that was from 2016 to around 2020. And I fell into it because at that time, I was a video producer at a very left-wing news company called NowThis News, which some people know it, some people don't. But we were one of the first news companies to get videos to automatically play on the Facebook feed back in the 20-teens. with subtitles so i moved into that newsroom as a 25 year old and um my job every day was just to be scrolling on my news feed which now we know about this right it's like doom scrolling and our algorithms but that was where i first got exposed to this modern climate movement um in the form of actually this dakota access pipeline protest that happened in 2016 which was very viral uh where there was native americans protesting a pipeline going in and um
Lucy Biggers 3:22
all these people commenting would say, cover DAPL, D-A-P-L, for Dakota Access Pipeline. And so I just started covering that as a 25-year-old. Kind of bought it hook, line, and sinker that there was this narrative that these evil fossil fuel companies were building a pipeline on indigenous land. And I started covering it, and all the videos that I made went really viral. And so there was a feedback loop of, I'm getting a lot of professional success from this. And so I just made climate change my kind of whole personality and beat. for my 20s, eventually growing my following to 50,000 on Instagram by like 2019. I interviewed Greta Thunberg. I gave AOC one of her first interviews when she was running for Congress in 2017, and that went very viral.
Lucy Biggers 4:07
So I was very much entrenched in the very progressive and progressive political movement, and then also the climate stuff from the center of this newsroom, essentially.

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