Konstantin Kisin

No, no. I think we're living through an era of the fragmentation of our reality. And it comes, you know, Scott's point about people behaving better in person is true. Although I would say there is the windscreen effect or the windshield effect, which is if you someone cuts you up in traffic and you feel that there's some kind of physical separation between the two of you.

No, no. I think we're living through an era of the fragmentation of our reality. And it comes, you know, Scott's point about people behaving better in person is true. Although I would say there is the windscreen effect or the windshield effect, which is if you someone cuts you up in traffic and you feel that there's some kind of physical separation between the two of you.

most people behave slightly differently in that context than they would if they were sitting next to somebody face to face in a bar.

most people behave slightly differently in that context than they would if they were sitting next to somebody face to face in a bar.

So it's, it's, there's something about being physically present with other people that changes it, which is one of the reasons, you know, I know you have pretty much all your interviews face to face and we do as well, because I generally speaking is very difficult to connect authentically with people.

So it's, it's, there's something about being physically present with other people that changes it, which is one of the reasons, you know, I know you have pretty much all your interviews face to face and we do as well, because I generally speaking is very difficult to connect authentically with people.

Obviously we've managed to do it in the course of this conversation, but beyond that, it's difficult. Um, And so we're going to have to work on that. But the point I'm trying to make is this isn't a political issue. It's not an X issue. It's not an Elon Musk issue. It's a technological issue. We're living through, probably already have lived through most of the digital revolution.

Obviously we've managed to do it in the course of this conversation, but beyond that, it's difficult. Um, And so we're going to have to work on that. But the point I'm trying to make is this isn't a political issue. It's not an X issue. It's not an Elon Musk issue. It's a technological issue. We're living through, probably already have lived through most of the digital revolution.

And I used to, as a kid, love Isaac Asimov's science fiction books. And one of the reasons I did enjoy reading them so much is it was a world in which there was an exploration of, What does the creation of robots, which is what we're living through,

And I used to, as a kid, love Isaac Asimov's science fiction books. And one of the reasons I did enjoy reading them so much is it was a world in which there was an exploration of, What does the creation of robots, which is what we're living through,

mean for morality what does it mean for philosophy what does it mean for humanity what does it mean for uh what how do we build rules in a world in which you have these machines that take every rule literally and suddenly you find that uh you know the desire to protect humanity results in the end of humanity how do you how do you navigate all of this and that is what we're living through we are also living through a period when our realities are being fragmented and so

mean for morality what does it mean for philosophy what does it mean for humanity what does it mean for uh what how do we build rules in a world in which you have these machines that take every rule literally and suddenly you find that uh you know the desire to protect humanity results in the end of humanity how do you how do you navigate all of this and that is what we're living through we are also living through a period when our realities are being fragmented and so

we believe a very small set of things that other people like us somewhere in a very different part of the world, as Daniel was saying earlier, also believe. And we now live in this, we don't live in England or in Scotland or in America. We live almost like in a world of people who think like us in the West, right?

we believe a very small set of things that other people like us somewhere in a very different part of the world, as Daniel was saying earlier, also believe. And we now live in this, we don't live in England or in Scotland or in America. We live almost like in a world of people who think like us in the West, right?

And then other people live right next door to us who live in a whole different world because they consume a whole different set of information. That is the reality. We can complain about it. That is not going to change. And the only thing I really want to raise where I disagree with Scott about this idea that Facebook and X, et cetera, they are... and not platforms.

And then other people live right next door to us who live in a whole different world because they consume a whole different set of information. That is the reality. We can complain about it. That is not going to change. And the only thing I really want to raise where I disagree with Scott about this idea that Facebook and X, et cetera, they are... and not platforms.

I don't think you can apply the same media organisation section to them. I don't think it's appropriate. They are platforms in which people publish information. The artificial amplification is a fair point. We need to deal with that. We need to deal with the bot problem. That's a very difficult one because...

I don't think you can apply the same media organisation section to them. I don't think it's appropriate. They are platforms in which people publish information. The artificial amplification is a fair point. We need to deal with that. We need to deal with the bot problem. That's a very difficult one because...

One of the challenges is the only way to really deal that I can see with the bot problem is to get people to verify their identity online. That obviously has a lot of questions around that because once you start forcing people to give their identity over to some anonymous blob online, who's collecting that data? What are they doing with it?

One of the challenges is the only way to really deal that I can see with the bot problem is to get people to verify their identity online. That obviously has a lot of questions around that because once you start forcing people to give their identity over to some anonymous blob online, who's collecting that data? What are they doing with it?