Konstantin Kisin

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Well, it's interesting because there clearly is some pretty healthy adaptations to fill these voids.

For example, it's not just Americans, as you well know.

British people are very tribal about sport as well.

But that seems like one way of channeling those instincts that's quite healthy.

What's interesting is I think perhaps due to social media, but maybe due to other things, and I'd be curious to hear your opinion, politics has now become very, very tribal in the way that I just don't feel it was 20 years ago.

Just based on ideology.

Like people now treat their political party as their football team.

Whereas it felt to me like in the late 90s, early 2000s, yeah, people had some kind of political allegiance.