Konstantin Kisin

What was that about?

Well, you're focusing on the narrow economic part of it, but I think what Francis is alluding to is there's a... It's the same thing, though.

Well, is it, though?

Because there's a cultural and ideological dimension to this as well, because, say, the policy of net zero, which is just economic suicide.

It's the same thing.

Well, you were poised to be in the position to implement that vision.

I think a former prime minister kind of described the relationship, being next to the US, you like quoting this, like sleeping next to an elephant.

Doesn't matter how peaceful it is, every twitch and grunt.

affect you.

I put it to you, the elephant is wide awake now and it's stomping around and you might like that, you might dislike that, but is Trump's behavior towards Canada the reason you didn't become prime minister?

Well, you pivoted very well from my question, but it sounds like the Trump behavior was not helpful to your election.

When Trump was talking about how you should become a state.

And do you think he meant it, or was it one of his trolly comments that he throws out there?

Right.

Well, let me ask you about that, then, because I think we did get the answer I was looking for, or clarity, at least, on it.

Mark Carney, who's the Prime Minister of Canada now, after Davos and the US administration presented a whole different geopolitical vision, effectively, at that meeting, he came out and he talked about the fact that countries like Canada and the UK and Australia, they basically need to get very upset with the US and have their own little clique that they work together while challenging the US or working with China.

Do you think this is a good way of approaching things?

Yeah.

And moving to geopolitics a little bit, do you have a clear understanding of what the Americans are doing, what their posture is towards the world?

And obviously that will affect Canada as well.