Konstantin Kisin

Great name, though.

Great name, isn't it?

Imran Ahmed, who did turn out to be a bit of a nutter.

But one of the questions I said to him, and this is, I think, where it really is not as simple as I think you're saying for the following reason.

I said to him, look, do you think it should be

allowed to call for an armed revolution on social media and she was like no do you i was like well i don't know but what i'm saying is this country wouldn't exist if people were not allowed to call for an armed revolution on the equivalent of social media of their time the united states would not exist right well there were people arrested yeah sedition against the king

Right.

But that's exactly what I'm saying, though.

If you think about it in the modern context, though, I think you'd probably find that the overwhelming majority of the public would be like, we don't want a civil war caused by people saying these things online.

Do you see what I'm getting at?

Yes.

They call it the risk of real-world harm.

Of course.

And that has happened to a ridiculous, disgusting level over the last 10 years in particular.

There's no question about that.

But is it really as simple as saying there is never a case of restricting what people say online, even when there is a credible risk of real world violence?

So should you be able to call for an armed revolution on Twitter?

Well, absolutely.

And to extend Franz's metaphor, the thing that I've...

been somewhat concerned about, hence my kind of pushing back on you to try and find out what the boundaries of what the three of us believe are, is also the fact that when you've been betrayed in a relationship and you leave that relationship, it is very tempting to go, I don't know if you call this in the US, but to go on the rebound.