Konstantin Kisin

You're focusing on the narrow economic part of it, but I think what Francis is alluding to is there's... It's the same thing.

Well, is it, though?

Because there's a cultural and ideological dimension to this as well, because, say, the policy of net zero, which is just economic suicide.

It's the same thing.

Pierre Polly, welcome to Trigonometry.

It's great to have you.

You're obviously very close to becoming the Prime Minister of Canada.

That didn't happen in very interesting and challenging circumstances.

We'll talk about that.

But it's great to have you.

And the first thing we actually want to do is just to hear your perspective very broadly on what you see happening in the Western world geopolitically today.

There's obviously a huge realignment going on.

What do you see?

What do you think?

Well, on the cultural level as well, a lot of things seem to have happened.

I mean, you talk about free enterprise, but what about just people being free to speak their mind, to make their own decisions?

One of the things that we were frankly, truly horrified by, even given that COVID restrictions in this country were pretty stringent, is some of the things that happened, people who were protesting against things in Canada, having their bank accounts taken away.

We had supporters of our show writing in going like, please, can you cover this?

Is there something about Canada, the Canadian psyche, that made you guys more susceptible to this?

Is it just you had a particular leader at that time who was more authoritative?